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Hmm... 'Subjective rubbish' on the Collingwood players, eh? Well I'd say Dane Beams having 21 touches and kicking two goals on Friday was a fair contribution which suggests he's pretty constructive in that team. Seriously - if you were a football club you'd be accused of tanking.

While you're at it, instead of having a crack at me, tell me why Ratts is the man.

Gee both Collingwood and Essendon* must of been fools to have considered the man for there main coaching position. They should have signed up Brett Ratten and not interviewed other candidates instead

Thats the one thing you can never get an answer for from the Ratts is the man men....

They can never say why he is the man... just that he is... not why... just that he is......

The answer of course is they dont know why.......... "its the vibe"...... the Denis Denuto argument of course....

You can never get an answer from any of these blokes for that question.... they squirm this way.post their little pictures... or point to other coaches.. (who by the way have had succesful...assistant role groundings .. twist thataway...but cant say WHY!!!...

Its the killer punch.....

"Why is he... can you explain ?"...

it just goes dead.....

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wow, you're so in the know ... collingwood AND Essendon* both "considered" choco ... and you know this for a fact of course ... wouldn't have been due to the fact that he has links with both clubs would it ...

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Synbad, they may not have had 3 number 1 picks but they've certainly had just as good a crack at the draft as we have, to not think that is ridiculously short sighted.

We have Fev and Judd, fair enough but what i see at the moment is exactly what i saw at the end of the 80's - early 90's. An incredibly good top end (although our 3 number 1's are nowhere near what they should end out like if they have relative injury free careers), followed by ageing mid tier players past their best and many younger players years off their best. Back then there was a chasm as large as the grand canyon between the top end of the list and the bottom end. The situation is nowhere near as bad now as it was then. Unfortunately time and games are the only remedy that will be found in getting us back to the top an staying there for multiple cracks at the silverware.

Doesn't matter who's coaching. If Ratts is given the ar$e at some point between now and the end of next season, and i'm not averse to that thought process, then i hope its not for another untried rookie coach who will in turn need time to grow and learn with the group as Ratts is doing now.

One of those coaches is ripe for the picking now i reckon, but how would you go if their was no process to get him. And it aint Choco Melvs, yet another belting today for the so called supercoach.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

I think you need more than 1 player to back up your point. Which other first year Collingwood players are firing? How about a response to the Lions question? What's Armfields best position? Where should Hartlett be played?

Asking you to back up your opinions with something of substance isn't having a crack at you

And they both passed on him.

And you don't know Ratten was the only one Carlton interviewed.

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Choco has been at Port too long...
He has done an incredible job with them in the stint he has been there.
Port are a Port family club and making a mistake keeping him...

It does not mean Choco cant coach...

Choco would have Ratts for Brekky lunch and dinner when it comes to coaching...no doubt about it.


Is Chocco the right man for us???

Who knows???

We cant ever know... we didnt get him to come along and explain what he can bring to our club... just as we didnt invite anyone esle..

We gave the job to a guy who was coaching second division Eastern suburban league...cos hes a mate!!!

Thats the problem....

Its not Chocco or anyone else... its how we are going about trying to compete in 2010 thats the problem...

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Of course we know there were 2.., an ex Carlton number 10 was also invited.. never had a chance mind you... as a matter of fact once Voss didnt take the job... everybody knew Ratts would get it.. so why humiliate themselves by getting knocked back in a sham interview???

Pathetic handling when you think about it...

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Can you point out where I said Ratten is the right man for the job? Disagreeing with your childish and simplistic arguments doesn't mean I support Ratts. It's not all black and white.

So you agree with me ???

Ok...

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Hopefully this weeks Mike and Dan play of the week goes to Ratten for the move of Hartlett to the ruck. an inspiring move.

Ill have a go. Coz he has beat Eade, Malthouse, Roos, Worsfold, Voss, and Williams. He also pushed Lyon and CLarkson. He has done this all with an average but growing list.
He has trouble with kick ins like other coaches teams i watched this year. SOmething he will have to get on top of to take the next step. He has hasnt unlocked the key to fev and our forward line which is something that will have to be sorted but he has our backline playing well and our young mids getting the ball inside 50 as much as the oppostion. Needs to work on maturing their hearts and minds to achieve this on a consitant basis and be accountable the other way.
In 35 odd games he has done remarkably well.

I know after round 1 people had big dreams that have since been shattered but life wasnt meant to easy. Hard work and constant self improvement should have him achieving his goals by 2012 - 2014. Until then enjoy the ups and downs of a devoping list.

Go Blues!

I'll leave you alone on the Collingwood question, barely. But next time, remeber the golden rule, a little bit of research saves a whole lot of embarrassment.

Armfield on weekdays should be spending the hours of 8.00am-6.00pm on kicking and balance drills.
On weekends he should be playing for the Bullants.
Where he shouldn't be is playing loose man. Now here's a question for YOU - are you happy Ratts has had him playing loose 40m off the contest? Because I saw that particular set up multiple times against Richmond. That is FACT.

Hartlett should be played across the HF line or not all. He's not a ruckman, he's not a backman. Here's another question for you - are you happy that Ratts had him contesting centre bounces on Friday Night? Are you happy with what happened when Harts DID contest those centre bounces?

Anyway, I've answered your questions. Now please tell me why Ratts is them man. Just tell me that.

Nah nah nah nah nah... i know.... u agree that Ratten isnt the right man .. but you dont want to appear to agree with me.. cos im saying it right??


ok.... it can be our secret.....ok???....

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self snip.

ah yes.... but our players cant even kick out..... they cant get inside 50 entries that are telling... he over uses 2 players...we concede every opposition kick out... our players are stagnating... we dont bounce the ball enough....we get smashed in the first 1/4 after he sets them up for the game... and we still come back..

imagine what wed do if we had a real coach and not a pretend one... huh??

Youre kind of making my case stronger.... arent you???


maybe were underselling our list....????

A real coach with real planning and drilling and set ups will sort who can really play and who cant...

Ratts cant get our veterans going.. Judd is startiung to struggle... Fev is up and down... and pretty flat... but still leading all comers on the goalkicking stakes.. and Gibbs is treading water....

Lots of upside with a new coach.... who knows what the hell he is doing...

Ratts can sit along side and learn from a pro....
shit coach and our players shouldnt be held to blame... theyre doing the best they can with the directionless marshalling they have been getting..

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Sorry i forgot about Barry Mitchell.........

Choco knocked back the Essendon* offer and the pies have gone in a different direction.

BEAUTIFULLY PUT
AMD I'LL ADD ANOTHER THING. CAN PEOPLE STOP SAYING THAT JUST BECAUSE WE FINISHED OUTSIDE THE 8 LAST YEAR AND ARE CURRENTLY IN THE 8 NOW, THAT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO PLAN AND THERE IS NO NEED TO CAST A CRITICAL EYE OVER THE CLUB/COACH ETC. Had we beaten Ess, Freo and haw and be sitting on 4th spot, would those same posters be saying, "oh we really don't deserve 4th spot cause we came from a long way back??? no flowering way. Bottom line is we couldve and we didn't.....and the couldve/shouldve/didnt discussion is happening too often. Poorly coached. 2010 or youre out Brett.

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