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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:47 pm 
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Solely blaming the coach is giving the players a free ride. Not to mention simplistic to the point of being child like.


Well said.



Im sorry.. maybe teams dont need coaches.....

what waste of money..... :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:48 pm 
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Can i just ask who is responsible for player development and output???

And why do clubs change coaches... when they have no impact on what is put out on the field???

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:53 pm 
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Who is responsible for the skills - If Ratts has any balls at all - He is the bloke that should be targetted

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:58 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Who is responsible for the skills - If Ratts has any balls at all - He is the bloke that should be targetted



You cant tell me guys like Gibbs cant hit a target from 20 meters or fumbles???

thats something thats between the ears....

.. thats cos Ratts is about the Carlton swagger and not the modern day game...

The Carlton swagger back eh????

:thumbsup:

We need professionals...

We need the best people for every job!!!

We dont need amateurs and ex footballer mates..

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:58 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Can i just ask who is responsible for player development and output???

Ratten obviously. Riley, Lappin, Harvey etc are just there for decoration.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:03 pm 
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in8 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Can i just ask who is responsible for player development and output???

Ratten obviously. Riley, Lappin, Harvey etc are just there for decoration.


Harvey is an outsider...

I think the majority of others know each other pretty well..... and most of them are ex footballers...

So why rock the boat???

And they all are under the directive of the coach though .. right???

plus who out of that bunch has vast experience at coaching?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:09 pm 
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Excuse me for interrupting and stating the obvious.....but would'nt it be prudent to get SOS back as an assistant ASAF*****P!!!! :thanks:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:12 pm 
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Don't think the Saints would be letting him out of their sight.....it IS heartbreaking him seeing him in a Saints top 'tho.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:12 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
in8 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Can i just ask who is responsible for player development and output???

Ratten obviously. Riley, Lappin, Harvey etc are just there for decoration.


Harvey is an outsider...

I think the majority of others know each other pretty well..... and most of them are ex footballers...

So why rock the boat???

And they all are under the directive of the coach though .. right???

plus who out of that bunch has vast experience at coaching?

And round and round we go. No point arguing with someone who must reduce the situation to the simplest terms possible.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:15 pm 
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Mark J wrote:
Excuse me for interrupting and stating the obvious.....but would'nt it be prudent to get SOS back as an assistant ASAF*****P!!!! :thanks:


Another Ex Carlton player on our coaching board.

that would make it:

Brett Ratten - Coach
Matthew 'great half time speech' Lappin - Forward Coach
Sticks - President
Craig Bradley - Kicking Coach?
Greg Williams - Not sure what he does
Silvagni - Backline Coach
Teague - Bullants coach


I'd love to have Silvagni as backline coach IF hes the best available not just because he played for us.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:16 pm 
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Weve never discussed why we would get rid of Pagan just to replace him with someone who is unqualified and has no accountability on our performances before...

i wanna know how its not his responsibility.. (Ratts)...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:17 pm 
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FlipMode2 wrote:
Mark J wrote:
Excuse me for interrupting and stating the obvious.....but would'nt it be prudent to get SOS back as an assistant ASAF*****P!!!! :thanks:


Another Ex Carlton player on our coaching board.

that would make it:

Brett Ratten - Coach
Matthew 'great half time speech' Lappin - Forward Coach
Sticks - President
Craig Bradley - Kicking Coach?
Greg Williams - Not sure what he does
Silvagni - Backline Coach
Teague - Bullants coach


I'd love to have Silvagni as backline coach IF hes the best available not just because he played for us.



We need Brad Pierce....!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:27 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
i wanna know how its not his responsibility.. (Ratts)...
Who said it wasn't? Some of us are merely trying to point out that he's not the sole member of the football department and the players also have some influence on whether we win or lose.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:33 pm 
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FlipMode2 wrote:
Mark J wrote:
Excuse me for interrupting and stating the obvious.....but would'nt it be prudent to get SOS back as an assistant ASAF*****P!!!! :thanks:


Another Ex Carlton player on our coaching board.

that would make it:

Brett Ratten - Coach
Matthew 'great half time speech' Lappin - Forward Coach
Sticks - President
Craig Bradley - Kicking Coach?
Greg Williams - Not sure what he does
Silvagni - Backline Coach
Teague - Bullants coach


I'd love to have Silvagni as backline coach IF hes the best available not just because he played for us.


Who cares if he's ex Carlton!
Have you seen the Saints defensive unit this season? :roll:
Dawson is in their best 22 FFS!
The fact that he's left the club to further his career can only be benificial.
Who's our current defensive coach...Montgomery? give me a break. The young players would REALLY look up to him, such a defensive icon! :donk: :donk: :donk:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:35 pm 
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in8 wrote:
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i wanna know how its not his responsibility.. (Ratts)...
Who said it wasn't? Some of us are merely trying to point out that he's not the sole member of the football department and the players also have some influence on whether we win or lose.


Ratts is the leader of the football department, he manages and sets the program for the development of the team in every facet. If he isn't and someone else like Icke is stepping in, then we need to address the problem.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:39 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
We beat Syd because Ratten threw his gameplan????? out and said, "see ball, run with ball make space" and then did the sign of the cross and prayed that it would work out


You're not assisting your agenda in the slightest by fabricating nonsense . :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:50 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
99prelim wrote:
We beat Syd because Ratten threw his gameplan????? out and said, "see ball, run with ball make space" and then did the sign of the cross and prayed that it would work out


You're not assisting your agenda in the slightest by fabricating nonsense . :wink:


I think he manned Richards up and went more one on one? Also moved Gibbs off Goodes and moved him into the middle.

It seems these moves (if I remember them correctly) should have been made earlier in the game - you would think these matchups/loose men would have been recognised earlier? I realise you don't necessarily make a move unless it's actually hurting you but Goodes and Richards were hurting us and it seemed to take so long for the move to happen.

Just the slow reaction is troubling - you'd think changes would be made earlier.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:52 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
in8 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Can i just ask who is responsible for player development and output???

Ratten obviously. Riley, Lappin, Harvey etc are just there for decoration.


Harvey is an outsider...

I think the majority of others know each other pretty well..... and most of them are ex footballers...

So why rock the boat???

And they all are under the directive of the coach though .. right???

plus who out of that bunch has vast experience at coaching?

Give me 10 names in football right now in a well-regarded developmental coaching role.

10 names, not just Alan Richardson and Harris.

I think there will be a coaching review at the end of the season and you will see Lappin get the flick. Bradley wouldn't be far behind. Tap SOS on the shoulder not because he is ex-Carlton but because he is leading the number 1 defensive unit with a carousel of players having to come through. No issues with Riley because he has been superb. Williams is a part-time coach so that's fine.

Forwards coach is a focus along with acquiring talent for the forward line.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:53 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
We beat Bris with half their defence missing-Fev got us over the line
We beat Coll with a VFL side
We beat Syd because Ratten threw his gameplan????? out and said, "see ball, run with ball make space" and then did the sign of the cross and prayed that it would work out
We beat Freo........just....Adelaide restricted them to 1 goal the following week
We beat Richmond. Thank god Riewolt didn't kick straight. would've been interesting
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Now go through our losses Prelim.

Lost to Essendon* lucky we didnt kick straight things would have been interesting
Lost to Hawks - Ruffy got them over the line
Saints- Lucky rewolt had a good start or things could have got ugly. Lyon threw the game plan out the window and the fullback kicked the winner
Swans - Lucky we didnt kick straight early or things would have been interesting.
..etc

You struggle to deal with a loss Prelim99. Things really are not that bad......relax and enjoy the ups and downs of a developing side.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:04 pm 
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Some posters don't read the post they're "replying to" or vastly exaggerate and distort them to a statement that is very different to what was said, then proceed to savagely attack the "post" with vitriol. They often start out with "So you're saying that...."
Any logic goes out the window.
IMO it says more about the poster than the topic supposedly under discussion.
It's pointless having a discussion on that basis and a waste of time reading it.
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