Bellisarius you say its been covered before ... and continue on to say that over and over again... and over and over ... and over again...

But this is a discussion on whether Ratten is the "right man for the job"... youre irrelevant again....

Most of the rest of us are making observations on whether Ratts is the right man.... im struggling to see what your role and relevance is in the discussin is...its over 70 pages long and you havent been relevant..

You dont give reasons one way or another.. instead youre directing it at the posters... or making irellevant arguments.. like "who is someone elses choice for coach?"

Can you give us the REASONS why YOU believe Ratten is the right man for the job.. and best this club can attract???

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Irrelevant...well thats just plain mean

You just can't see it can you?

I don't usually post but after reading the last three pages, Belisarius, seriously, if you're so concerned that Synbad "just can't see", then why don't you put "what's already been covered" in bold, italics, underlined and yellow.

In fact, do it for me, cos I can't be bothered reading over 70 pages.

I'm a fence-sitter regarding Ratten, but as for this thread, well...

...move on!

Of course... but direct me to your arguments please???

Are they..... let me guess "Supporters wanted to get rid of Ross Lyon too"?

I think you add nothing....

I know youre having a go at people here that are sharing arguments about the topic..... but youre not....

Now just direct me to your arguments...

On what you have seen on Ratts what is it about him that makes you believe he is the right man for the job 2 years in???

Hint...

This has nothing to do with who i want as coach... thats irelevant..

We need your reasons Bellisarius!!!!... dont go round in circles with blue vs greens..

Your reasons on Ratts being the right man...im hanging out for them...

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yeah and for me... im thick.. i need it shown again......

Belisarius???

Put this to bed will you???

Your reasons as to why Ratten is the RIGHT man for the job...

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As I did last week when for some reason you were an awful lot quieter, at this stage you just have to laugh

Although it is a bit tougher considering this time we have a horrible loss rather than a good win

Can't argue with that Sound advice. Although the "just can't see" had nothing to do with Ratts

The coaching was poor at times last night but he didn't tell them to miss targets constantly and ignore defensive assignments.

Some of the boys need to have a good look at themselves. Solely blaming the coach is giving the players a free ride. Not to mention simplistic to the point of being child like.

An interesting observation
When the nay sayers on this forum talk about Ratts (and I will reveal my hand and say that he is a poor coach), they use a combination of observation, perception, discussion, trends, what they read, what they hear, what they're gut feeling is etc etc
Just as night follows day, all the positive posters refute all this because they have no hard data, no facts, they're not part of the inner circle, they have hidden agendas, the stats rebut the argument etc
In other words, the nay sayers were just too emotional, too simplistic.
BUT
When Carlton wins and they played shithouse, and really just won because Fev kicked 8 or Judd carried everyone or the opposition was deplorable or the opposition had a quarter of their best players out etc, facts, stats and more complex arguments are thrown out the window by the positive posters, ripping into the naysayers with, "Just enjoy the win, we've won more than last year, can't believe we won and you're still not happy....etc...etc". you can't have it both ways

We beat Bris with half their defence missing-Fev got us over the line
We beat Coll with a VFL side
We beat Syd because Ratten threw his gameplan????? out and said, "see ball, run with ball make space" and then did the sign of the cross and prayed that it would work out
We beat Freo........just....Adelaide restricted them to 1 goal the following week
We beat Richmond. Thank god Riewolt didn't kick straight. would've been interesting
Carlton are becoming a joke. I don't really give a flying toss that some people don't value the opinion of Walls, Buckley, Sheahan, Cometti, Shaw and co. they have infinitely more credibility that the sum total of this site, certainly in terms of experience. i just hope that those people who play the credibility card when people like Synbad, Melvey or whoever articulate their opinions don't then just as simply dismiss the opinions of people who've played the game successfully at the highest level
Carlton are on the verge of going backwards. thank god Hawthorn had their year from hell.....everyone beat them...except us.
Ratten IS NOT THE ANSWER. He is not value-adding to that squad one iota.

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

I dont see it.. can you point to it???

A good win last week????

Youre flying with the eagles Belisarius if you think that was a "good win"...

But why would you put people down on a "Is Ratten the right man for the job " thread when they have reasons..and you have nothing????

Its very perplexing Belisarius....

Please explain on the evidence we have 720 days into Rattens tenure what you have seen to suggest Ratten is the right man for the Carlton job...

Otherwise dont put people who have reasons down...

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Oh come on..you've even posted that before

I have a better idea... seeing you have nothing to add to this thread.. YOU MOVE ON!!!...

Cos you add nothing.....

Let the rest of us discuss ....

Deal???

Or stay an dexplain why he is "The RIGHT man for the job"

Options are simple.....

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Only as you dont qualify your entries to this thread....

Belisarius there are threads on Talking Stuff that would accomodate your contributions....

Take a look in there...

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Did you just criticise someone for putting someone down

A bit testy there

Belisarius you make as much sense as Sticks up close...

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Was that a put down Synbad?

Belisarius, I don't think I have posted in this thread before & I can't be bothered going back through pages of posts.

Can you please answer Synbads question so that we can move on

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Cheats never prosper (except in the AFL)

Well said.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Im sorry.. maybe teams dont need coaches.....

what waste of money.....

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