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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:06 am 
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A couple weeks ago, mere moments into the second quarter of our clash with Fremantle at Subiaco, my Dad chucked it in. A couple of non-footy related issues contributed to this (we all sometimes simply have a bad day), but in that moment when Des Headland outmarked Bret Thornton in the goal square and kicked truly the last 6 or so years of following Carlton, and the crushing defeats, ineptitude and agony that went hand in hand with that, came crashing down on him. He left the room, disgusted, appalled and utterly over what he'd seen.

"We're an absolute joke"

"This is a disgrace"

"@#$%&! this, I've supported them for 40 years, and this is what we get? I'm not buying a membership anymore, not for this"

And many, many more quotes in sync with those sentiments were uttered as sheer frustration overcame him. He distanced himself from the TV for the rest of that afternoon, refusing to view what was happening. Although he was relieved and pleased by the win in the end, I could understand his point of view.

Dad and I have gone to every Carlton game in Melbourne for the last 15 years together. And he's bee going long before that. We've had some terrific highs, but, lately as we all know, some shattering lows. The best part of a decade enduring defeat.

For Dad, if only for an afternoon, the straw that finally broke the camel's back was what we dished up in the first quarter and a half against Fremantle. Yes, he has since come around and is his usual self, but, for that 2 hours a couple Sunday's back that best part of a decade swelled just a little bit too much within him and the bow broke.

I've long tried to look upon my team, our team, with positivity, with an eye always to what is coming and how we're going about getting there. Even when we were traveling horribly, winning no more than a couple of games a year, I still tried to balance the face value, that being the bad, of our performances with something positive.

Bret Thornton and Kade Simpson immediately spring to mind. Two guys thrown in at the deep end in a sink or swim scenario that has seen them, to my mind, survive the horror period and become accomplished footballers. Perhaps, then, that's why they, when the going gets tough, play as tall as they do for our club. They've seen where we've come from, they understand and have lived through the period with us.

Another is Brendan Fevola. If we didn't have him going to the footy during those years would have been more hellish than it was, and that's a scary thought. What he gave us during those darkest days of our great club shouldn't be overlooked in terms of how important it was. His legacy, in my mind, will always be defined by the joy and excitement he generated almost single handedly when we were scraping the very bottom. And he stayed. Always remember he stayed.

Tonight came my 'Fremantle Moment'. It came along a lot sooner than I expected it would. Probably 30 years sooner than expected, if I was to put a date on it.

Watching us run around without instruction or structure just slowly wore me down. All the hope and positivity I'd stockpiled since 2002 just deserted me and I simply gave up. I reconciled I had nothing to cling to in what was simply the most abject, abhorrent and simply inept performance I've seen us dish up.

We are not a 10 goal worse side than Collingwood. Not on paper, not in the flesh. To play so badly that their own poor performance was masked by a barely adequate final term tipped me over the edge.

Our coaching panel's inability to match up or conceal/exploit weaknesses as the game progresses is galling. Nick Maxwell is an average footballer. To let him ride rough shot over a player the ilk of Brendan Fevola is unacceptable, it's unforgivable.

To try nothing to exploit their flimsy defence, whilst our own battled manfully all night (without Thornton and Bower we'd have lost by 15 goals tonight, and kicked fewer than 4) with little to now support from up the field was unbelievable. To not think of giving Fev any assistance, in the way of a foil or a system he could exploit was astounding.

Watching Adam Hartlett I feel sorry for the guy. Here is a guy who came to our club 5 seasons ago and is continually hung out to dry. People can say whatever they want about him, but as a club it is our responsibility to ensure all draftees make the grade, it's beneficial for us and them. Now, this doesn't always happen, we're not alone in exhibiting worrying draft success rates, but to have a guy like Hartlett, a CHF when drafted, plying his trade down back is astonishing. Tonight was the perfect opportunity for him to show his wares. Put him on Maxwell, take him to the square. That way we make Maxwell accountable, it gives Fevola a better run at the ball, and gives Hartlett a more positive task. Yes he was played forward, but how, and in what way?

To see a player fail in Navy Blue is always saddening, but in the case of Hartlett I think the club have to take more than their fair share of the blame.

There is a lot to be said for mimicking other sports and tactics used successfully in them. We need to borrow a few, and quickly. Whether it be the much vaunted rolling zone (which we can't enact or play through... lethal combination we have right there) or our refusal to attack the corridor and hard. Good teams all do this, they all run through the middle. I'd spend from now until we get it right attacking the corridor, running hard through the middle.

It's like Soccer, teams with good wingers use the width of the field to attack with pace and penetration. Teams with strong forwards use them as a target man to hold up and distribute the ball. My team Manchester United did this, they started doing this 18 years ago and we all know of their successes since. They play to their strengths, rain, hail or shine they play to their strengths.

In gridiron they play with such a structure that there, for good teams, is always a plan b. In fact, they're so well drilled there's countless back-ups. But, usually, good teams don't need them. They train and train and train so that they can execute the winning plays in their sleep. They simply know they're going to get it right, and so does the opposition. They know that they could repel them 8 times out 10, but those 2 that get through are going to be made to count.

We simply do not have this.

Tonights game got to the stage where it couldn't get more embarrassing. Even Collingwood fans didn't care cos the match had all the finality and inevitability of a Harlem Globetrotters match. As soon as they got about 4 goals up we didn't give a yelp.

I've not subscribed to this growing theory, but tonight I'm well and truly a convert. Ratten has to go, sooner rather than later. That's all I'll say on the matter because there is enough in that discussion to go around the merry-go-round forever.

I'll never abandon the Blues. But tonight is as close as I think I will ever come. Tonight was my 'Fremantle Moment'.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:41 am 
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seanpb wrote:
A couple weeks ago, mere moments into the second quarter of our clash with Fremantle at Subiaco, my Dad chucked it in. A couple of non-footy related issues contributed to this (we all sometimes simply have a bad day), but in that moment when Des Headland outmarked Bret Thornton in the goal square and kicked truly the last 6 or so years of following Carlton, and the crushing defeats, ineptitude and agony that went hand in hand with that, came crashing down on him. He left the room, disgusted, appalled and utterly over what he'd seen.

"We're an absolute joke"

"This is a disgrace"

"!@#$%& this, I've supported them for 40 years, and this is what we get? I'm not buying a membership anymore, not for this"

And many, many more quotes in sync with those sentiments were uttered as sheer frustration overcame him. He distanced himself from the TV for the rest of that afternoon, refusing to view what was happening. Although he was relieved and pleased by the win in the end, I could understand his point of view.

Dad and I have gone to every Carlton game in Melbourne for the last 15 years together. And he's bee going long before that. We've had some terrific highs, but, lately as we all know, some shattering lows. The best part of a decade enduring defeat.

For Dad, if only for an afternoon, the straw that finally broke the camel's back was what we dished up in the first quarter and a half against Fremantle. Yes, he has since come around and is his usual self, but, for that 2 hours a couple Sunday's back that best part of a decade swelled just a little bit too much within him and the bow broke.

I've long tried to look upon my team, our team, with positivity, with an eye always to what is coming and how we're going about getting there. Even when we were traveling horribly, winning no more than a couple of games a year, I still tried to balance the face value, that being the bad, of our performances with something positive.

Bret Thornton and Kade Simpson immediately spring to mind. Two guys thrown in at the deep end in a sink or swim scenario that has seen them, to my mind, survive the horror period and become accomplished footballers. Perhaps, then, that's why they, when the going gets tough, play as tall as they do for our club. They've seen where we've come from, they understand and have lived through the period with us.

Another is Brendan Fevola. If we didn't have him going to the footy during those years would have been more hellish than it was, and that's a scary thought. What he gave us during those darkest days of our great club shouldn't be overlooked in terms of how important it was. His legacy, in my mind, will always be defined by the joy and excitement he generated almost single handedly when we were scraping the very bottom. And he stayed. Always remember he stayed.

Tonight came my 'Fremantle Moment'. It came along a lot sooner than I expected it would. Probably 30 years sooner than expected, if I was to put a date on it.

Watching us run around without instruction or structure just slowly wore me down. All the hope and positivity I'd stockpiled since 2002 just deserted me and I simply gave up. I reconciled I had nothing to cling to in what was simply the most abject, abhorrent and simply inept performance I've seen us dish up.

We are not a 10 goal worse side than Collingwood. Not on paper, not in the flesh. To play so badly that their own poor performance was masked by a barely adequate final term tipped me over the edge.

Our coaching panel's inability to match up or conceal/exploit weaknesses as the game progresses is galling. Nick Maxwell is an average footballer. To let him ride rough shot over a player the ilk of Brendan Fevola is unacceptable, it's unforgivable.

To try nothing to exploit their flimsy defence, whilst our own battled manfully all night (without Thornton and Bower we'd have lost by 15 goals tonight, and kicked fewer than 4) with little to now support from up the field was unbelievable. To not think of giving Fev any assistance, in the way of a foil or a system he could exploit was astounding.

Watching Adam Hartlett I feel sorry for the guy. Here is a guy who came to our club 5 seasons ago and is continually hung out to dry. People can say whatever they want about him, but as a club it is our responsibility to ensure all draftees make the grade, it's beneficial for us and them. Now, this doesn't always happen, we're not alone in exhibiting worrying draft success rates, but to have a guy like Hartlett, a CHF when drafted, plying his trade down back is astonishing. Tonight was the perfect opportunity for him to show his wares. Put him on Maxwell, take him to the square. That way we make Maxwell accountable, it gives Fevola a better run at the ball, and gives Hartlett a more positive task. Yes he was played forward, but how, and in what way?

To see a player fail in Navy Blue is always saddening, but in the case of Hartlett I think the club have to take more than their fair share of the blame.

There is a lot to be said for mimicking other sports and tactics used successfully in them. We need to borrow a few, and quickly. Whether it be the much vaunted rolling zone (which we can't enact or play through... lethal combination we have right there) or our refusal to attack the corridor and hard. Good teams all do this, they all run through the middle. I'd spend from now until we get it right attacking the corridor, running hard through the middle.

It's like Soccer, teams with good wingers use the width of the field to attack with pace and penetration. Teams with strong forwards use them as a target man to hold up and distribute the ball. My team Manchester United did this, they started doing this 18 years ago and we all know of their successes since. They play to their strengths, rain, hail or shine they play to their strengths.

In gridiron they play with such a structure that there, for good teams, is always a plan b. In fact, they're so well drilled there's countless back-ups. But, usually, good teams don't need them. They train and train and train so that they can execute the winning plays in their sleep. They simply know they're going to get it right, and so does the opposition. They know that they could repel them 8 times out 10, but those 2 that get through are going to be made to count.

We simply do not have this.

Tonights game got to the stage where it couldn't get more embarrassing. Even Collingwood fans didn't care cos the match had all the finality and inevitability of a Harlem Globetrotters match. As soon as they got about 4 goals up we didn't give a yelp.

I've not subscribed to this growing theory, but tonight I'm well and truly a convert. Ratten has to go, sooner rather than later. That's all I'll say on the matter because there is enough in that discussion to go around the merry-go-round forever.

I'll never abandon the Blues. But tonight is as close as I think I will ever come. Tonight was my 'Fremantle Moment'.



Great post sean, it was a real journey!!

I tell you what I'm hearing you - but I'm wondering if it's expectations which are clouding our judgement at the moment. Only two games from memory I have ever left early (I mean literally left early); one was against the scum 4 weeks ago and the other was tonight.

I've seen some bad losses and these two have been far from the worst, but it just hurts so much more when you expect a better effort. I am certain that Ratts is not the best coach to be at the helm, but I am not sure that another coach is the answer either.

I think the end of the year is the time for answers - although some like to ask too many questions....

Awesome post mate, certainly got me thinking that's for sure!! I think I may have shared a "Fremantle moment" with your old man a couple of weeks back :oops:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:48 am 
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Sensational post. To the point and wasn't over the top rubbish.
Echoing the sentiments of many i would say.

Well done!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:00 am 
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Excellent post and I agree wholeheartedly. I was pondering this at the game and I'll pose it to you now - could we sack Brett Ratten? When you consider the ex-players in positions of power around the place you really have to wonder who's going to summon the balls to say "yep, he's my mate, but for the sake of the Carlton Football Club I am willing to admit he's not the man to coach my team".

But once again... superb.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:00 am 
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Great post summed up 99.9% of die hard blues supporter's feelings.

It just really hurts to think we have had so many picks and the proper facilities purchased by our patron saint god rest his soul and then we dish up that tripe on the first Pratt cup match.

Was watching on the tube and felt sick watching his wife give the cup to the filth.

I love Ratts I really do but geez ... after 2 years there just seems to be the same mistakes over and over again.

1) no kick out strategy
2) no other option than give it to Fev and his 3-4 hangers on
3) Stick to plan A and then when that does not work ... hmmm there's always plan A
4) Plan A sux
5) Go back to the same plan that never seems to work ... has anyone else noticed we play our most exciting football when Ratts throws his gameplan out the window :?:

We really should have won tonight or at least given a good showing ....

TO BE HONEST I THINK I AM HAVING MY MOMENT NOW ... aaarrrrrrgggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Wouldnever consider abandoning my beloved blues but after tonight I do not want to look at the current team for at least 6 days and 20 hours.

I do not want to end up a bloddy Richmond supporter remembering the good ole days and bitching about the current ones.

I do not have the answers but I pray someone does.

GO BLUES!


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:08 am 
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Hang in there mate...after we beat the tanking kangas next week....Ratts will be the toast of the town again and will be well again until... :roll:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:11 am 
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Good read sean!

My Fremantle moment was against Adelaide actually.....I tore down my "They know we're coming" poster....ripped it up and chucked it out.

My expectations from then on have been low.....and.....I'm of the opinion that boys and mates clubs will get you no where...we need change of some description.....then again last week I was stoked this week I'm rock bottom so what would I know?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:28 am 
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I'm not here to argue but I want to get my point across, I agree the coaching was bad tonight but I also acknowledge that the Fev of old, you know the hard leading forward who marked the ball many times from hard leads is no longer in our team.

Last night he was pathetic (not for the first time this year), he rarely led for the ball and was content to sit near the goal square thinking he could outmark his opponent using strength. Further to this he was in the vacinity of his teammates making it easy for the extra defender to switch between both contests depending on where the ball was kicked.

For years I have said that Richmond should have traded Richo, it would be hypocritical of me not to suggest the same with Fev. While he has some currency we must use him to secure our future, otherwise in 5 years we will be celebrating a player in the same manner that tigers fans do with Richo - they are pathetic.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:15 am 
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A dismal evening spent watching Carlton on a cold Friday night.

That expressess the football issues very well indeed.

The talent is there - but the organisation of the talent to produce a result is not.

The important people wont put up with things forever - but because Ratten is a mate - there will be a fair bit of trauma between now and when the next man comes.

They should of course try to make the finals, but as horrible as it would be, not winning the required number of games to make the 8 it wouldnt necessarily be a bad thing.

In the overall scheme of things - this would bring things to a head quickly.

Painful to endure - but not as painful as the recent past.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:53 am 
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I completely concur with what you've said Sean. This season has been unique in that there have been a couple of moments where I've been genuinely angry as opposed to the past 6 years where it's been more of a feeling of disappointment.

Unfortunately the solutions on this board always come down to piss off Fev or piss off Ratts. The way I see it, they could probably both stay or go, but something needs to re-jigged.

If anyone lays the boots into Fev for last night's performance, you can be absolutely guaranteed that next week he'll kick 6 goals - just warning you in advance. I don't have a problem with Fev, he is what he is and that is a fantastic full forward. He is different from John Brown, Reiwoldt and Pavlich in that he is more talented than all of them, but when you find yourself in a game like last night, Fev isn't the sort of bloke to put himself in the middle and try and spark something. Fev has his impact by leading, marking and kicking goals and if he is being prevented from doing this it's hands on hips not 'I wonder if I can clear some space for Eddie and Kruez'. The bloke is nearly 30, he isn't going to change but that doesn't mean he needs his papers stamped. He'll still win you matches but when the hands on hip moments are happening, the rest of the team needs to use him as a decoy if he's not doing it himself.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:49 am 
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if Fev could kick 3 each week I'd be happier then 6 one week and one the next, he has no heart, is selfish and petulant and is only good as trade value.

TRADE HIM BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:12 pm 
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10's of coaches and 10's of special comment guys have tried but none have been able to come up with a forward line that works with fev in it.

It must not be easy.

The maggies have been pushing numbers back and still managing to get numbers around the ball on the way out for last two months. Its a game style that has brought many a well seasoned coach undone.

No need to jump ship Sean. Just get more realistic expectations. IF we can get more wins than last year or even the same amount but bringing in new players to replace some of the not so proffessional older ones then plans are on track.

We are a young developing side so there are going to be ups and downs.

It does get frustrating when our players start games without any heart and spend the rest of the game playing catchup but i believe it is something we can overcome.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:52 pm 
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blu944 wrote:
Fev isn't the sort of bloke to put himself in the middle and try and spark something. Fev has his impact by leading, marking and kicking goals and if he is being prevented from doing this it's hands on hips not 'I wonder if I can clear some space for Eddie and Kruez'. The bloke is nearly 30, he isn't going to change but that doesn't mean he needs his papers stamped. He'll still win you matches but when the hands on hip moments are happening, the rest of the team needs to use him as a decoy if he's not doing it himself.



That's right.

After the knock last night Fev was not 100%. His leads were sluggish and his efforts were half hearted...once something creeps in to Fevs mind and he starts giving up there needs to be some other strategy.... Ratten needs to stop being a Fev fanboi and figure something out...it's a professional sport....not country friggin football.....we play dumb....we tried our guts out for the bulk of last night but we were clueless....

Sometimes I think we'd be better off if our forward line was young and developing just like the rest of our team....it feels like it's Fevs territory up there and that any potential forwards that we may have won't be developed properly cos Fev demands so much space.

We need to smarten up.

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