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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:20 pm 
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Ok, thanks for answering.

You didnt need to give me an explanation...about why you dont go much... and thats cos youre a coach in the bush...

just that you dont go a hell of alot was ok.....

Look i really shouldnt be debating this with you........... it just doesnt sit right with me now... ok??????

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:22 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
baz i never played footy in my life.... actually this will make u laugh......

im a dancer........

now you go to watch carlton play???


So you have never played?

never coached?

Have you ever been involved in a team...like a waterboy, physio, trainer?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:24 pm 
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baz_baz wrote:
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So you have never played?

never coached?

Have you ever been involved in a team...like a waterboy, physio, trainer?


ah yes.... but i go to live games and see........ :thumbsup:


shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... dont..... its not fair.....

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:28 pm 
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baz_baz wrote:
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So you have never played?

never coached?

Have you ever been involved in a team...like a waterboy, physio, trainer?


So if I went to your dance concert would you expect that I would know what you were doing?. Would I know if you were performing the correct moves at the correct time. would I know if you were techinically correct?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:34 pm 
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baz_baz wrote:
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So if I went to your dance concert would you expect that I would know what you were doing?. Would I know if you were performing the correct moves at the correct time. would I know if you were techinically correct?

of course you would... but youd have to come along and see it live ok????

telly can be a lil tricky....

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:36 pm 
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baz_baz wrote:
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So if I went to your dance concert would you expect that I would know what you were doing?. Would I know if you were performing the correct moves at the correct time. would I know if you were techinically correct?

of course you would... but youd have to come along and see it live ok????

telly can be a lil tricky....[/quote]

No I wouldnt...I would only know whether I liked it or not.

You see thats the difference.....you only know you dont like it (our footy) ...not why

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:37 pm 
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guys, please

its whether ratts is the man

not synbad or baz baz

please keep the personal critique out of it

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:58 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
guys, please

its whether ratts is the man

not synbad or baz baz

please keep the personal critique out of it


Why it's actually interesting what comes out.

I now know why Synbad thinks we should play like Brazil :razz:

Synbad loves the argy bargy play on I say.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:05 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Its not just Ratten. The whole football department needs a overhauling


9 games left, 6 of them against bottom 8 sides. Logic tells you we're over the hardest part of our draw and on the downhill run.
Heaven forbid we'll make the finals and maybe even win one. :eek:

What will you sook about then?
Some people need to remember where we've come from.


What do you mean where we have come from? Last thing I remember is Kouta ripping the comp a new one and having the best defence in the league :razz:


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:01 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Essendon* are front runners and wont achieve anything under Knights.
They are 16th for blocks in the AFL and their playing philosophy is based on running ahead of the contest. In fact, Knights instructs his players to avoid blocking and to run hard to create an option for the recieve!
When the game is nice and open and they're controlling the uncontested ball, they're world beaters but when the opposition dominate the tempo of the game, they are garbage.
The key is to make them accountable for their actions. Our players need to spread from the contest when we win possession and control the uncontested ball as well. Teams too often take them on and focus on the contested possession but taking advantage of their "looseness" is the key.

Have a look at their effort against Geelong. 78 points down at 3/4 time before Geelong rested all their stars.
Teams need to have a gamestyle that is sustainable in September as well. Theirs wont come close.


A very astute post BV :thumbsup:

Most of the great coaches of any team sport advocate getting the defensive side right first. That is where I see our improvement, whereas others seem to think we are stagnating or going backwards as a team. Ratts is trying to teach our players to play defensive football. Sometimes we don't get the balance right and that causes confusion in the ranks especially for those who aren't defensively minded.

We had the best defensive unit in 2001, just a year later we had the worst. Since then we have been in the top four for points conceded, generally top two.
2001- 16
2002- 1
2003- 2
2004- 4
2005- 1
2006- 2
2007- 1
2008- 4

To date we are lying 8th in the points against table. I think we can possibly improve that a spot or two and at the very least stay there. It has never just been about the back six as to why we have been so poor defensively. We have been poor as team.

We showed in 2007 that we know how to run forward of the ball and thus were ranked 6th for points for, but what is the point if you have conceded just under 400 more points than the second worst defence and a staggering just under 1300 more than the best. That was awful defensively :sad:

Even with the stats indicating improvement I think we are a better team team defensively and we value possession (which is not something the long kicking style under Pagan did). As we are still learning we can look stilted and uncertain, but I think as we gain confidence and become more comfortable with our defensive responsibilities we will be much better at two way football.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:38 am 
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baz_baz wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
it was actually mentioned during the coverage that we have one of the better kickout 'strategies'/success rates (ie in terms of % of kickouts converted to goals.

and in the freo game it was commented how well we setup from the boundary throwins to shark the opposition ruckman



Mate you're quoting a post from another thread from 2008!!! Last year!!!

Do you actually watch the football?

Our kickouts (both offensively and defensively) have been an unmitigated disgrace!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:52 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
Who would you want more
Jurrah or bentley

A no brainer


How is that relevant Keogh?
We couldn't get Jurrah so I fail to see the point.





Blue Vain its very relevent
Jurrah had never played AFL before this year. He is from out of nowhere. The Demons took a risk on the back of a recommendation from an ex AFL player whose name escapes me(may have been Betheras). This kid has it all. Great hands, feel for the game, is quick a bit different to Bentley who we rookied for god knows reasons.


In rare circumstances you pick a recycled player in the drafts but only if they are good enough or not riddled with a long trem injury and its something the club needs
The doggies have been the best at this recently with Aker Hudson and Welsh
We have picked Duds like Bentley.Its a disgrace and highlights this clubs pathetic attitude to who gets pick whilst a kid like Anderson continues to play seconds footy much better than Bentley yet Bentley gets picked twice over him.

Jurrah is a risk Yep
You know what you are going to get from Bentley, Hadley and Johnson
They have been in the system long enough for us not to go out and recruit hacks.

Does that make more sense


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:08 am 
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In relation to Jurrah BV I can understand why we couldnt get him but we used our pre season pick to get Chris Johnson

@#$%&! is all I can say to that one

Rather than recruiting these usless footballers search far and wide
in the outback
eastern suburban league

etc
I am sure every year a dozen or so young footbalers get missed in the drafts

Its up to Hughes and Ratten to find them
We have done alright with Betts, Jammo etc but thats what we should do rather than pick spuds like Johnson and Bentley

That was the point I was trying to make.

So were you thinking we would have picked Jurrah if we finished 16th last year

Are you guys happy in recruiting Bentley and Johnson and playing them
cause if you are your a poor judge of a footballer and the requirements of playing AFL


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:57 am 
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keogh wrote:
Are you guys happy in recruiting Bentley and Johnson and playing them



im not. my concern is the recruitment of average players from other clubs keeping spots in the side and limiting the development of our younger players such as anderson, browne, garlett, yarran, robinson, ellard. more value getting games into the imho. just doesn't make sense and slows down our development.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:15 am 
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Keogh you have started a thread regarding Livo (even though there was one) saying we should have played him forward because he can kick goals in the bush :roll: . He sure as hell couldnt do it for us and from what I saw went backwards in this department at Port Melbourne so please how about you give us a tip on who we should recruit.

I agree regarding Bentley but then I dont know anything about him and well Johnson has been disappointing.
Id much perferred we had used a rookie pick or pre season pick on Sam Dwyer at Port Melbourne - tough as nails footballer with eyes only for the ball who can play forward back or midfield. Was cleaned up by that prick Picken las year who ran through him late - the kid could have pulled out becuase he saw him but he opted to calmly slot a goal on the run leaving himself wide open. Problem is most recuiters in the AFL described him as a ball magnet in the TAC Cup but lacked that something to set him apart from the rest of the Collingwood 6 footers, ie exceptional pace or disposal - then again Sam Mitchell was pigeon holed the same.

As for coaches I like Ratten and believe he should be given more time before a judgement is made however If I was going to look for a coach it wouldnt be Mark Williams (biggest [REDACTED] in SA outside of Cornes) Id look at Gary Ayres. Gary remains calm, gets his message accross well and can develop players.

But hey what the @#$%&! would I know - I only watch Carlton on TV and live in Sydney.

PS Cazz young Shaun who I told you about last year played for the Swans ressies last week and kicked three goals playing on the wing, CHF and FP - unfortunately due to policy up here its the one and only time he gets the opp this year.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:26 am 
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But are you a coach of an AFL side?


BTW i think Jurrah is crap.....!!!


But i dont coach anywhere... and i have only watched him on telly....

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:28 am 
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There are several posts in here that have no bearing on Ratts being the coach for us.

Please get back onto the topic. :thanks:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:33 am 
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keogh wrote:
In relation to Jurrah BV I can understand why we couldnt get him but we used our pre season pick to get Chris Johnson

!@#$%& is all I can say to that one

Rather than recruiting these usless footballers search far and wide
in the outback
eastern suburban league

etc
I am sure every year a dozen or so young footbalers get missed in the drafts

Its up to Hughes and Ratten to find them
We have done alright with Betts, Jammo etc but thats what we should do rather than pick spuds like Johnson and Bentley

That was the point I was trying to make.

So were you thinking we would have picked Jurrah if we finished 16th last year

Are you guys happy in recruiting Bentley and Johnson and playing them
cause if you are your a poor judge of a footballer and the requirements of playing AFL


You're all over the shop Keogh.
Jurrah wasn't some smokey from outback Australia that suddenly appeared at Melbourne. He played VFL for Collingwood and everyone could see his potential. You're trying to back your way out of your previous posts at 100 miles an hour.
The fact is he wasn't available to us. End of story.

Admit you were wrong and we'll all move on. :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:51 am 
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So Synbad..................

Am i right in thinking that your not actually saying that Ratten "Isn't the man" or that you don't want him "To be the man"....................... your just saying that he has shown very little so far to suggest that he "Is" or "Can" be "The Man".

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:58 am 
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A couple of quotes in today's media puzzle me:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/ ... 42,00.html


"It's pretty hard," he said. "Their form was pretty good ... we'll go through that after training and see how everyone pulls up."

What consitutes good form? Supercoach stats? According to the Bullants reports neither were anything special to write home about?


"They got a few credits and had a few weeks when they were down a little bit and time was up," he said.

I wonder if Ratts can tell us how many credits Fev has left? :yikes:


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