You cant play with so many stoppers and zone too....

There is something in the laws of the logic that tell you that.

Yes we did...and we all know how that went..which should have taught us that knee jerk decison making is not what its all about in this day and age...and Ratts's appointment seemed to have been knee jerk given no-one else other than Voss had been seriously considered.

If you were a thinker youd realise Malthouse was pached a decade ago... as a very succesful coah at the Doggies and then won a flag at WC..
So he proved he had the appetite and the accumen to coach succesfuly.
In the last decade footy has changed immensely... and Malthouse has done pretty well keeping up with the game changes... and in my opinion has extracted the most out of a very basic Collingwood club for a long time.
They are usually playing in the finals.. and have been a pretty succesful club under his tenure...without ultimate success.

How do you begin to compare what happened TEN YEARS AGO with Malthouse... and what he has done with that side that was where we were at when he took over.. to us going out and not having to poach Ratten at any club cos he was AFL unemployable... and then extend by 2 years a contract without having achieved anything...
Raatten should have been judged at around this time for any extention.....
..... sure he may have threatened to go coach at another club if he was unsecured ........................... but what are the chances another club would have hopped on Ratts today??

The guy hs never proven anything...

.... hee might still.. but its not looking good for him.
He is making statements on selection round 14.....thats how good hes going....

Plus right now hiss personal changes...without a gameplan he is re organising the deckchairs of the SS Ratten....

What he doesnt get is we look shit with an inspid Stevo ot Fevola...but in this MODERN GAME... its not about running through walls to win... thats all nice for us in the terraces cos we hate seeing inspidness... but the games are won on preparedness... and we are very unprepared for this game...

I harp back to the closed training sessions.. which kind of suggests Ratts thought he was onto something... and was tweaking...

Surely you wouldnt close intra club sessions when you cant zone.. cant play man on man.. cant kick... cant tackle.. cant find inside 50s.. cant kick out from defence.... as a matter of fact just on kicking out from points... its better if they just kick a goal... so we can start again from the centre.. instead of conceding a point.. then turning over the subsequent kick out and having 7 points kicked against us.. (Ratts should look at that tactic for the close games)

Cos really the closed sessions suggest either he thought he was a genius and we were goingt to tweak an unbelievable gameplan to be unleashed on the competition this year... OR..... he was really worried and embarassed...about where we were at...

You cant play with so many stoppers and zone too....

There is something in the laws of the logic that tell you that.

Its amzing to think you can pull that one off...

You actually can.

Its called covering for each other when players drop off to zone. Its then a matter of gut running back to the tag. It happens constantly in footy at all levels, and because they are not playing for each other at present it leaves loose ball get all over the place.

So are you saying that the hard tags exist primarily when the ball is in dispute. For example, Joseph would be right next to say Lovett at a centre bounce, but if Essendon* had the ball at the their defensive 50 after a kick out Joseph would be positioning himself as part of a 3/4 field zone?

You actually can.

Its called covering for each other when players drop off to zone. Its then a matter of gut running back to the tag. It happens constantly in footy at all levels, and because they are not playing for each other at present it leaves loose ball get all over the place.

But then I'll cut you a little slack for not knowing it because you dont have any experience at all

Yes, you went to the same svchool of footy theory as Ratts...

Mathermatics means it isnt possible the way we do it...

But then ill cut you a lil slack.

I can also tell you... that theyre are alot of people around the club right now that are truly concerned.
Ratts cant lose this... (not saying he will be sacked on the spot...)

You get back to your elite coaching theories......

Its not just a theory for me and the boys. We actually implement it. We train for it and we attempt to apply it on match days.

I think the thread should be renamed:

"Its becoming very clear that Ratts is having difficulties..."

Not the man infers:

- cant learn
- doesnt learn
- hasnt learned
- wont learn
- his stock are capable enough

And doesnt define the man for WHAT exactly. if we come Top 6 then you'd say in any historical context that he's still done well enough. I mean 11th to 6th sounds good doesnt it?

Who is "we"?

Yeah but im probably not after your clarification, im after a general one and one that could be commonly accepted.

I mean have you ever posted anything positive in your whole posting life?

This pipedream that #17 is upon us is just dangerous, a waster of time, and naive. Ratten could be agreat coach and not deliver #17.

When one Bomber jumps into a pack of three blues and one teammate and comes out with the ball 2 seconds later it doesnt matter who is tagging, who is zoning, how well we kick in, how well we cover kick ins or how we are going to stop Essendon* from creating the loose man.

Ratten is guilty of putting out a team not prepared to win the ball, not prepared to run and not prepared to sacrifice their own game for the benifit of the team. For that he should be criticised. Any tactical plan he had was never given a chance to work.

Secondly polarised discussion is what gets things done. It's how change occurs.