PROs
Eddie is still Eddie
Jamo and Bower are battling hard
Simmo has served his club well

CONS
Ratten cannot coach, period
We have a board/administration rife with mateship, which is not capable of delivering a premiership and will end up transforming us into the next Richmond
Kernahan will never have the guts/desire to ever question Ratten in the slightest instance
Kernahan is a rubbish president, and I cannot understand why this limbo has been allowed to continue for so long
Stevens will probably not retire at the end of the year, and will force us to sit through another year of his "sliding into mediocrity on a big fat wage" show
Houla will always be Houla
We are stuck with Fev - for better or worse.
We have too many outside midfielders
There is WAY too much pressure on Warnock to come in and fix all our centre square deficiencies
We have developed a culture of softness, of coaching soft players with soft attitudes and no desire
We have a list clogged with Banno, Harts, Jake, Wiggins, Cloke.
Fisher is still getting games

We are a joke, and nobody at the club seems to be able to emulate Essendon* and Collingwood's development, no matter how much money they have access to.

Also:

CON
We are about to go to Freo and lose again. Flowering demoralizing.
how many f-ing #1 draft picks to we need ???????

CON
I feel like there is no possibility of change - Ratten will never drop Stevo, Sticks will never fire Ratts, Everyone will back Sticks, and we are suck with Fev

How many No 1 picks do Essendon* have? They're not an amazing team, but they've drafted well the last 3 years, and their picks 15-50 have done the job for them.

Good admin
Good recruiting
good development
good coaching

simple!

Pros: how can there possibly be any???

Cons: Far too many for a team with the potential we have.

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Pros
- Setanta, Grigg, Murph and Gibbs in the 1st half
- Hopefully this is the wakeup call we need and tough decisions will be made.
- TC'ers can't blame JR for the result.
- Bullants still to play.....hopefully Robbo, Yarran, Garlett and Anderson play well.

Cons
- Stevens and Houla. They both must be dropped.....everytime it was their turn to go the footy would end up with Essendon*. It is almost like we had 16 players on the field.
- General lack of heart and effort after half time.....disgraceful.
- Our "bottom six" players would struggle to get a game for Melbourne.

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Pro

It's times like these that big decisions are made within a club. I'm looking forward to what eventuates this week...

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There's so much I could say...

Cons: Posters who think the rest of us want to read their multiple posts in the pros & cons thread.

Have your say and move on.

NO ARGUMENT FROM ME.....The decline in health and subsequent passing of Richard Pratt was a turning point. Willl Swann and Icke want to stay at this club after their current contracts????? We are the new Richmond bluey. Unfortunately, Sticks wields too much power at that club.

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Pros:
- Fisher and Setanta thumbs up.
- Kade great servant of CFC
- Eddie great from limited opportunities
- Keep Houlihan and Stevens in. We need that touch of class. Form is temporary, but class is permanent.

Cons:
- Steven Browne was pathetic. Watch his game again. He didn't chase, he didn't tackle, and he turned the ball over. Drop him.
- Ratten's coaching is poop.
- If we keep playing players like Armfield, Bannister etc we are never going to make the grade.
- We are slow as shite. Too many plodders. Quick players: Simpson, Judd, Joseph, Armfield, Betts(sort of). Anyone else?

CONS WE GO TO GROUND FAR TO OFTEN

Pro:

I didn't have to watch that disgrace last night.

Cons:

Way too many.

No pride in the Club or jumper. I mean FFS, Melbourne try harder than that each week. Sure, they may not win, but at least they try!

Too much being left to too few. Again.

The players seem to give matches away far too quickly.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

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My thoughts exactly

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In the case of Houlihan and Stevens form is very temporary.
Browne is a good young player.....sure he had a downer last night but he has played well for the previous 4-5 matches. What message does it send to the playing group if we drop a kid after 1 poor match whilst Stevo and Houla just keep cruising along?

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Pros:

we don't play them again until 2010

Cons:

That was rubbish! Small tip to the coaching staff... these guys beat us by doing the same thing every time. Use all the brains you have got in the Coaching Panel, sit down, and work on a genuine and new gameplan which will actually give us a chance. This one hasn't worked, isn't working, and won't work.

Pros .... ........... ....

Cons


Houla must have a groin injury.... (no not just that he doesnt have balls)...

he is looking slow.. and cant kick... he could have won us the game against stkilda and missed.. and he missed some goals yesterday he used to kick ith his eyes closed....

fisher can mark but not much else...


stevens is no longer AFL standard...

Banno... isnt up to standard..

Play kids.... not going anywhere with the above in the side... as things stand.


Ratten needs help... he is way under standard it aint funny..

He will butcher this list

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We need a hell of a lot more.

Been a concern of mine for a long time. The 3 number ones were no-brainers. Judd was not a recruitment selection that was Pratt, Kernahan and Swann.

Our recruitment has been based on selecting athletes first footy smarts second. Many of the selections have very poor kicking techniques in particular and when they are put under pressure this is exposed.

We have some honest triers. Our top 6-7 are very good but we drop away after that terribly.

Some of these developing players have been in the system for 3-4 years now. That's plenty of time in modern football.

I'm getting very nervous about our ability to reach the standard to win finals let alone a premiership. We may have got the finances and the facilities right. The biggest review at the end of the year needs to be the coaching and the recruitment staff. Questions need to be asked.

Pro

Setanta's sensational first quarter - 3 great contested marks. Calton had most of the momentum in the first quarter because of Setanta.

Con

Fevola knocking the absolute stuffing out of Setanta on two ocassions in the first quarter and effectively taking him out of the rest of the game. For the life of me, I can't understand why Fevola didn't protect Setanta's space on the first ocassion, instead of cannoning into him. Selfish effort I thought.

I am rapidly becoming gravely concerned about Ratts as a coach. Our forward structure collapsed after Setanta was flattened by Fevola and we seemed absolutely witless about how to stem Essendon*'s rebound out of our forward 50. Its not as though Essendon*'s gameplan is a mystery and that we haven't had time to develop a counter strategy.

Stevens, Fisher, Houlahan, Fisher, Scotland and Fevola should never be in the same team together. IMO they bring different elements of softness into the team which in combination infects others and robs the team of its commitment and will to win.

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Pros
Despite such great anticipation and planning, did not get to watch the thrashing live at the "G".

Cons
The head gasket we blew on the Hume Hwy at 4:00pm yesterday outside Seymour will cost big bucks.
We lost.
Systemic issues of poor leadership still exist at Carlton Football Club - on and off the field. Synbad is not too far off the mark.
Didn't get to catch up with Jars at the game.

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PRO:
I was at my daughters school quiz night, so didn't watch it.
I got the Carlton question right.
My mobile died halfway through the third so I missed the final quarter and a bit.
The Tigers play tomorrow and I Can forget about the Blues, why I watch a real team play

CON:
Essendon* and a couple of associates texting me (9 of the flowers on the phone this morning )


SEASON OVER IMO

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