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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:35 pm 
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Its not only about Russells lack of possessions, its what he does off the ball.

He goes to ground, he runs around like a headless choock. Last Friday in front of me he stood there and tilted his head back in frustration as he was in a contest, went to ground a few times and missed a few tackles all in the space of about 20 seconds.

Anyone comparing him to Armfield is ridiculous. One Russell has been there a lot longer, and two Army shows much more tenacity and hunger for the ball than Russell does. Army does make the odd poor decision, but he has not been in the game for that long.

Russell has had many chances. He is not really good at anything. Cannot play him back because of his disposal, cannot play him forward because he cannot kick for goal. Apart from the odd good tackle, I cannot see much else.

He does not have the hunger and is just not good enough. Simple as that. Nothing to do with him as a person. This is only a critique on his game, so no offence.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:38 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
Who's fault was it when he kicked into the man on the mark when shooting for goal against freo???
What about in the hawks game back pocket once again into the man on the mark??
What about the adelaide game when he took ages to move the ball on only to kick it out on the full????
What about last week when he tried a fancy round the corner kick and yep you guessed it once again into the man on the mark...........

I can understand a fumble or 2 because you have PREASURE bearing down on you BUT there is NO EXCUSE for kicking into the man on your mark. Schoolboy errors and isn't up to AFL level.
I don't think anyone here gets personal it's all about the TEAM because the TEAM will always be bigger than any individual.........




What? You no love JR long time, deano35? :thanks:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:49 pm 
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Fevola wrote:
Its not only about Russells lack of possessions, its what he does off the ball.

He goes to ground, he runs around like a headless choock. Last Friday in front of me he stood there and tilted his head back in frustration as he was in a contest, went to ground a few times and missed a few tackles all in the space of about 20 seconds.

Anyone comparing him to Armfield is ridiculous. One Russell has been there a lot longer, and two Army shows much more tenacity and hunger for the ball than Russell does. Army does make the odd poor decision, but he has not been in the game for that long.

Russell has had many chances. He is not really good at anything. Cannot play him back because of his disposal, cannot play him forward because he cannot kick for goal. Apart from the odd good tackle, I cannot see much else.

He does not have the hunger and is just not good enough. Simple as that. Nothing to do with him as a person. This is only a critique on his game, so no offence.


Nothing against him as a person eh? How about talking facts. Read my earlier post as a reference. Enough is enough on the "nothing personal" front. It is to me now.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:00 pm 
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who does everyone think AJ will go to?

i think he will go to Hooper but he would also be handy on a Black or a Power

How good is AJ , become such an important cog to the team so quickly

I wish we had more of him.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:02 pm 
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Laguna wrote:
Fevola wrote:
he runs around like a headless choock

*snip*

He is not really good at anything.

*snip*

He does not have the hunger and is just not good enough. Simple as that.

Nothing against him as a person eh? How about talking facts. Read my earlier post as a reference. Enough is enough on the "nothing personal" front. It is to me now.

For me, the major issue is not the criticism, but the form of the criticism.

Laguna, how would you feel if the criticism was expressed in this fashion?

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I don't think that he positions himself well, or runs to the right places.

In my opinion, he does not excel at any one area of the game.

I don't believe that he has the required intensity, or is up to AFL standard.

It's saying the same things, but to me anyway is far less personal.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:05 pm 
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Simon Black has slowed up, but has the smarts to outwit AJ at the contest and amazingly get loose. AJ needs to go to someone where he can use his speed, so it must be either a Hooper or Power. He wasn't happy with his Rnd 2 efforts on Hooper, so may have asked Ratts for another chance on the little livewire.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:08 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
who does everyone think AJ will go to?

i think he will go to Hooper but he would also be handy on a Black or a Power

How good is AJ , become such an important cog to the team so quickly

I wish we had more of him.


I'd put Joseph on Power and Army on Hooper.
Black is very difficult to tag as he doesn't run and carry much but has very quick and clean hands ala Greg Williams. I'd put Gibbs head to head with him.
Grigg against Johnstone and Carazzo on Drummond might be my other matchups.
Bower to start on Brown and Jamo on Bradshaw (assuming he plays forward).

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:11 pm 
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Why we are getting sensitive these days !!!!!

So someone can articulate my words in a nicer fashion. I did not think I was writing an essay to submit to an english professor.

For goodness sake this is a forum for ones opinion.

If a player is reading this forum and gets depressed over it then they should not get into professional sport.

How about they read these comments and use them to better themselves and prove us wrong.

Just a thought............


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:14 pm 
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Lurker Blue wrote:
Laguna wrote:
Fevola wrote:
he runs around like a headless choock

*snip*

He is not really good at anything.

*snip*

He does not have the hunger and is just not good enough. Simple as that.

Nothing against him as a person eh? How about talking facts. Read my earlier post as a reference. Enough is enough on the "nothing personal" front. It is to me now.

For me, the major issue is not the criticism, but the form of the criticism.

Laguna, how would you feel if the criticism was expressed in this fashion?

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I don't think that he positions himself well, or runs to the right places.

In my opinion, he does not excel at any one area of the game.

I don't believe that he has the required intensity, or is up to AFL standard.

It's saying the same things, but to me anyway is far less personal.


I have no problem with that.

More to the point and why I'm posting now on this is that I believe some of these pathetically and grossly over-exaggerated posts from so called supporters deserve some personal payback.

Jordan is out of form at the moment - no doubt. But has he deserved over 100 pages on talking players plus the constant snipes over the past 2 years from this forum?

Many who criticise here don't even know the guy. No player deserves the crap this guy has been served up over a long period.

The pack mentality has gone on for too long. How absurd that those that have got personal with Jordan are the first to criticise Richmond for the way that they feed on their own.

Talking Carlton is the "New Punt Road" in this regard.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:17 pm 
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Fevola wrote:
Why we are getting sensitive these days !!!!!

So someone can articulate my words in a nicer fashion. I did not think I was writing an essay to submit to an english professor.

For goodness sake this is a forum for ones opinion.

If a player is reading this forum and gets depressed over it then they should not get into professional sport.

How about they read these comments and use them to better themselves and prove us wrong.

Just a thought............


That's the problem. You and others don't think before you post.

Just a thought.......


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:22 pm 
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Fevola wrote:
Why we are getting sensitive these days !!!!!

So someone can articulate my words in a nicer fashion. I did not think I was writing an essay to submit to an english professor.

For goodness sake this is a forum for ones opinion.

If a player is reading this forum and gets depressed over it then they should not get into professional sport.

How about they read these comments and use them to better themselves and prove us wrong.

Just a thought............



Just like you'd use comments such as "TC user 'Fevola' posts nothing but crap and doesn't add anything to the forums" to better yourself and prove us wrong?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:24 pm 
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can anyone else see Austin being a late inclusion

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:26 pm 
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Elusive Turtle wrote:
can anyone else see Austin being a late inclusion


I think the consensus is that he's been dropped for match-up/team balance reasons so probably not.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:26 pm 
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i think if we have one it will be JR for carrots

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:27 pm 
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I've more or less ascribed to a rule of thumb: How can I, as a non AFL player have a right to offer an opinion on how Jordan Russell plays any more than he (quite realistically, as a non social worker) tell me how to do my job properly (unless he is a colleague of mine!). However, as a supporter of this great club, Jordan is entitled to my wholehearted support- because of his undoubted skill, talent and courage to play this great game of ours! :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:38 pm 
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Mars wrote:
deano35 wrote:
Mars wrote:
I'm sick of all the Russell bashing seriously, he has been by no means our worst player this year, he has had two ordinary games imo. He makes way this week because of that and fair enough.

Last weeks game he received an absolute shocking handball from a teammate in the back fifty, 9 out of 10 players would've fumbled the ball, JR didnt receive it cleanly yet somehow every blues supporter in the area blamed JR for the mistake, missing the fact the handball to him was a shocker!! This happened a number of times to him in the Hawthorn game also where delivery was poor yet somehow he is meant to gather possession cleanly! I dont know if people have seen Judds last two games, many mistakes in both, particularly Adelaide but because its the skipper and his name is Judd its let go. A bit of perspective, I think Russ has been one of our most improved players this year and i'll have him in my best 22 any day. How Armfield is in ahead of JR has buffled me, just because the bloke runs fast doesnt mean shit imo, he has worse disposal and decision making than JR by a long way and we'll be an ordinary side while blokes like him are in the side!

Good to see Grigg and Scotty back, I'm of the opinion Carraz may have needed a week at the Bullants but we''ll see how that pans out!


Who's fault was it when he kicked into the man on the mark when shooting for goal against freo???
What about in the hawks game back pocket once again into the man on the mark??
What about the adelaide game when he took ages to move the ball on only to kick it out on the full????
What about last week when he tried a fancy round the corner kick and yep you guessed it once again into the man on the mark...........

I can understand a fumble or 2 because you have PREASURE bearing down on you BUT there is NO EXCUSE for kicking into the man on your mark. Schoolboy errors and isn't up to AFL level.
I don't think anyone here gets personal it's all about the TEAM because the TEAM will always be bigger than any individual.........

IMO he had to go, remember he has had 30 odd games straight on the back of a good quarter here and there. Hardly warrents automatic selection which he has had.
For a player picked at 9 and the rapts where that he has pace and good disopsal along with good decision making skills he is failing on all area's bar tackling.
When was the last time he ran and bounced and carried the ball???????????
He always gives it off to someone near him as soon as he get's it.
Last week in the last quarter he recieved it out of the middle only to half stop and think about giving it to Stevo who was behing him until Stevo told him just bang it long and low and behold Fisher took a contested mark. He just does not have footy smarts.
A KID like Browne has shown way more in 2 years than JR in 5.
All this talk about him improving is correct BUT he is still nowhere near the level of AFL imo and he has been in the system for 5 years.

Armfield is way ahead of him. He runs, carries takes risks, chases hard and is a great tackler.

I read before that somone wrote that this is the best team on paper we have availabillty wise and i totally agree.

And don't take it personally because i support JR and want him to succeed like many many others BUT the simple fact is that he aint up to the level of AFL.
Let's hope he tears it up for the ants and get's back into the team on merit not on a free ticket.


I can point out a mistake that players make every week also, they all make mistakes, Judd makes mistakes, he kicked the ball out on the full under no pressure with his first kick of the game last week, he also missed his first few handballs under no pressure. Where is the Judd bashing?? What about Gibbs? he's made plenty of unforced errors over the past month i dont see anyone calling for him to be sent packing! They all make mistakes, JR for some reason cops it alot more than others and i feel it is unwarranted considering his first two months of the season were a huge improvement for him. Confidence is a big thing with him and you can tell as soon as the supporters get on his back during a game with the moans and groans he goes into his shell, if people would get off his back and let him learn and improve instead of singleing him out for every mistake he makes every week, many of them which aren't directly his fault, he and the team would be the better for it.

As for the comment that Armfield is in front of JR thats hilarious!! Did anybody see Armfield miss an open target from 20 metres under no pressure last week?? Not even a local footballer would miss that pass! he misses targets, fumbles and makes the wrong decision more than anyone in the side! Big deal that he takes the game on, i can take the game on also doesnt mean i should playing. Armfield should not be in the side in front of JR anybody that suggests otherwise has got the blinkers on with regards to Russell. Granted he's last few havent been as good as the first part of his season but those that cant see he's improving and that he offers a great deal to the side aren't watching the same game as me!



Armfield basher!!!

Carlton player basher!!

Do you realise you are doing what you detest of others doing?

Armfield is all right...and has a lot of upside. Like you said, everyone makes mistakes, but there's no need to bash him.

So the selectors have dropped Russell and retained Armfield. That imo is exactly a case of Army is ahead of Russell for now by people in the know...isn't that your line?

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Yeah but, Armfield has only played one good quarter

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:49 pm 
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Yeah but, Armfield has only played one good quarter



Did he? I can't remember that.

I know he closed down Rioli in round 22 last year for 4 quarters...and that run and bounce on the wing at full pace then hitting Fev on the chest with a 40 m pass. Vividly remember that.

IMO Brizzy have a bit of pace and move the ball quickly. We need quick players to counter that.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:51 pm 
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Fevola wrote:
Its not only about Russells lack of possessions, its what he does off the ball.

He goes to ground, he runs around like a headless choock. Last Friday in front of me he stood there and tilted his head back in frustration as he was in a contest, went to ground a few times and missed a few tackles all in the space of about 20 seconds.

Anyone comparing him to Armfield is ridiculous. One Russell has been there a lot longer, and two Army shows much more tenacity and hunger for the ball than Russell does. Army does make the odd poor decision, but he has not been in the game for that long.

Russell has had many chances. He is not really good at anything. Cannot play him back because of his disposal, cannot play him forward because he cannot kick for goal. Apart from the odd good tackle, I cannot see much else.

He does not have the hunger and is just not good enough. Simple as that. Nothing to do with him as a person. This is only a critique on his game, so no offence.


Russell was 5th on the tackles count at Carlton in 2008.

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