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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:20 pm 
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Blues2005 wrote:
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What we need is for players to understand a workable gameplan.
One that suits what we have.
One that allows us to play closer to our strengths and potential individually and as a group.

Then you know you are organised enough to win most weeks ....
If you miss after the sren but dont have a gameplan youll be undone again... more regularly.

Shouldnt be about an umpiring decision or a missed goal.. it should be that you have the mechanics to play in a meaningful game that when the season is done and dusted you played to the best of your capability... and youll show as much on the ladder....


That's all very true.

But Fev didn't miss after the siren because supporters allege that we lack a gameplan. He missed because he couldn't convert when it mattered, for whatever reason. It had nothing to do with any gameplan.

Little things like this do happen and will happen regardless of whether or not supporters can identify an obvious and well-tailored gameplan.

You can have the best gameplan in the world but if Fev misses after the siren, he misses after the siren. It's going to happen anyway. Having what is perceived as a better gameplan isn't going to reduce the chances of Fev missing/bad umpiring/other luck-related factors going for/against us.

As I wrote above, problems from which a team suffers over a given period are not necessarily mutually exclusive. You can simultaneously have been unlucky as well as having suffered from more fundamental onfield issues. Our problems wouldn't have all of a sudden gone away had Fev kicked straight. But at the same time TheGame's point is still legitimate because a case could reasonably be mounted that so far this season some little things have gone against us.


So what's our game plan Blues2005?

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:22 pm 
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Blues2005 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
What we need is for players to understand a workable gameplan.
One that suits what we have.
One that allows us to play closer to our strengths and potential individually and as a group.

Then you know you are organised enough to win most weeks ....
If you miss after the sren but dont have a gameplan youll be undone again... more regularly.

Shouldnt be about an umpiring decision or a missed goal.. it should be that you have the mechanics to play in a meaningful game that when the season is done and dusted you played to the best of your capability... and youll show as much on the ladder....


That's all very true.

But Fev didn't miss after the siren because supporters allege that we lack a gameplan. He missed because he couldn't convert when it mattered, for whatever reason. It had nothing to do with any gameplan.

Little things like this do happen and will happen regardless of whether or not supporters can identify an obvious and well-tailored gameplan.

You can have the best gameplan in the world but if Fev misses after the siren, he misses after the siren. It's going to happen anyway. Having what is perceived as a better gameplan isn't going to reduce the chances of Fev missing/bad umpiring/other luck-related factors going for/against us.

As I wrote above, problems from which a team suffers over a given period are not necessarily mutually exclusive. You can simultaneously have been unlucky as well as having suffered from more fundamental onfield issues. Our problems wouldn't have all of a sudden gone away had Fev kicked straight. But at the same time TheGame's point is still legitimate because a case could reasonably be mounted that so far this season some little things have gone against us.



Yes but if you have a well tailored gameplan youre going to be in a better position when things dont exactly go your way.. cos youre more methodical in how you go about playing the game to your strengths and exploiting others weaknesses...stuff happens in life as well as footy... somnetimes its good for you and sometimes its not... but nature has a way in evening everything out....

.... thats all chance....

but youre trying to limit the role chance has by being organised and planned... so you overcome chance more often .....

with me???

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:24 pm 
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Scotland reckons Ratts tinkers with the game plan.

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:34 pm 
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Scotland reckons Ratts tinkers with the game plan.


You mean the overpossession slow release....and then tinkering that by getting Fev to play in defence....???....

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:40 pm 
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Fev should not have been in that position when it all came down to one kick under pressure.......ditto for Brad Johnson.
If it wasnt for Fev we wouldnt have been in the game at all...

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 5:00 pm 
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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Fev should not have been in that position when it all came down to one kick under pressure.......ditto for Brad Johnson.
If it wasnt for Fev we wouldnt have been in the game at all...


Wasn't criticizing Fev, just pointing out that if that kick had gone through the sticks like it would 9 times out of 10 we would be 3rd. That's all.

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 5:42 pm 
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TheGame wrote:
Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Fev should not have been in that position when it all came down to one kick under pressure.......ditto for Brad Johnson.
If it wasnt for Fev we wouldnt have been in the game at all...


Wasn't criticizing Fev, just pointing out that if that kick had gone through the sticks like it would 9 times out of 10 we would be 3rd. That's all.


Fev had the same kick 4 times against Crows albeit with a crossbreeze- didn't get one


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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 5:53 pm 
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aramari wrote:
TheGame wrote:
Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Fev should not have been in that position when it all came down to one kick under pressure.......ditto for Brad Johnson.
If it wasnt for Fev we wouldnt have been in the game at all...


Wasn't criticizing Fev, just pointing out that if that kick had gone through the sticks like it would 9 times out of 10 we would be 3rd. That's all.


Fev had the same kick 4 times against Crows albeit with a crossbreeze- didn't get one


You're right he can't kick for sh!t.

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 5:59 pm 
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TheGame wrote:
Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Fev should not have been in that position when it all came down to one kick under pressure.......ditto for Brad Johnson.
If it wasnt for Fev we wouldnt have been in the game at all...


Wasn't criticizing Fev, just pointing out that if that kick had gone through the sticks like it would 9 times out of 10 we would be 3rd. That's all.


But im sure they could have done something in that game that would have stopped us from winning the game and being third....thats just how the cookie crumbles...

meanwhile we need to go to the basics instead of being slow down across half back and handball happy... and moving fev around the ground pretending everything is his fault....if he kicks goals and we dont have anybody else its his fault...
if he doesnt...its his fault again....

When in fact he should be played as a forward and Ratts must work out what else to do to compliment him.... but not by playing him away from goals...(doubt he will do that again).. cos its stupid!

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 6:14 pm 
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TheGame wrote:
aramari wrote:
TheGame wrote:
Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Fev should not have been in that position when it all came down to one kick under pressure.......ditto for Brad Johnson.
If it wasnt for Fev we wouldnt have been in the game at all...


Wasn't criticizing Fev, just pointing out that if that kick had gone through the sticks like it would 9 times out of 10 we would be 3rd. That's all.


Fev had the same kick 4 times against Crows albeit with a crossbreeze- didn't get one


You're right he can't kick for sh!t.


:confused: 25 goals 23 behinds - he's unreliable with or without the ball in his hands this year. You're as good as your last game / month / year. He has his excuses, but he's been ordinary this year.


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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 6:17 pm 
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he has an unusual grip

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 6:23 pm 
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aramari wrote:
TheGame wrote:
aramari wrote:
TheGame wrote:
Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Fev should not have been in that position when it all came down to one kick under pressure.......ditto for Brad Johnson.
If it wasnt for Fev we wouldnt have been in the game at all...


Wasn't criticizing Fev, just pointing out that if that kick had gone through the sticks like it would 9 times out of 10 we would be 3rd. That's all.


Fev had the same kick 4 times against Crows albeit with a crossbreeze- didn't get one


You're right he can't kick for sh!t.


:confused: 25 goals 23 behinds - he's unreliable with or without the ball in his hands this year. You're as good as your last game / month / year. He has his excuses, but he's been ordinary this year.


everyone is out of sorts this year

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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 12:15 am 
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Synbad wrote:
aramari wrote:
TheGame wrote:
aramari wrote:
TheGame wrote:
Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Fev should not have been in that position when it all came down to one kick under pressure.......ditto for Brad Johnson.
If it wasnt for Fev we wouldnt have been in the game at all...


Wasn't criticizing Fev, just pointing out that if that kick had gone through the sticks like it would 9 times out of 10 we would be 3rd. That's all.


Fev had the same kick 4 times against Crows albeit with a crossbreeze- didn't get one


You're right he can't kick for sh!t.


:confused: 25 goals 23 behinds - he's unreliable with or without the ball in his hands this year. You're as good as your last game / month / year. He has his excuses, but he's been ordinary this year.


everyone is out of sorts this year



no doubt, fev kicking 25g 23p is becuase of ratts shitty gameplan or lack there of?

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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 12:41 am 
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We had 31 inside 50's to 19 against Hawthorn in the first half.

If our players had been coached to play a decent brand of football we would've been up by 6 goals with that kind of dominance!

You blokes are kidding yourselves blaming 1 kick from Fev.

We play a horrible brand of boundary hugging footy!


And for those blaming our general innnacuracy this year against Essendon* and Sydney - I WILL SAY THIS TILL I:M BLUE IN THE FACE - WE MISSED A LOT OF GOALS BECAUSE OUR SHOTS WERE FROM THE BOUNDARY BECAUSE WE PLAY A CRAP BRAND OF FOOTY!!!

Breathe slowly......slowly......

Sorry I'm so frustrated, last Saturday was the straw that broke the camel's back.

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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 12:46 am 
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ScottSaunders wrote:
Synbad wrote:
aramari wrote:
TheGame wrote:
aramari wrote:
TheGame wrote:
Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Fev should not have been in that position when it all came down to one kick under pressure.......ditto for Brad Johnson.
If it wasnt for Fev we wouldnt have been in the game at all...


Wasn't criticizing Fev, just pointing out that if that kick had gone through the sticks like it would 9 times out of 10 we would be 3rd. That's all.


Fev had the same kick 4 times against Crows albeit with a crossbreeze- didn't get one


You're right he can't kick for sh!t.


:confused: 25 goals 23 behinds - he's unreliable with or without the ball in his hands this year. You're as good as your last game / month / year. He has his excuses, but he's been ordinary this year.


everyone is out of sorts this year



no doubt, fev kicking 25g 23p is becuase of ratts shitty gameplan or lack there of?


YES!!!!!
Too many shots from the boundary!!!!!!

I agree, Fev is freak and often nails them, but still.......we go so damn wide you have to factor innacuracy in if we wanna play boundary hugging indirect, slow, crap footy.

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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 12:47 am 
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CORRIDOR!

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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:38 am 
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Point is being missed here, I'm not blaming or bagging anyone.

We're 4 inches from being 3rd on the ladder where we are in the finals, top 4, double chance and Ratten is a messiah.

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