CJ69 can you please get over Fev??

How you can possibly think we'd be better off without him in our team is beyond me.

He kicks 8 goals and he doesnt chase and tackle enough and therefore doesnt care about the team.

He plays a team game yesterday chasing, tackling & taking 2 or 3 opponents with him but now we dont need him because he didnt kick a goal??

Sorry I should clarify; I meant that we can choose from those 4, not play all 4 at once.

I agree we need to find the balance, but IMO Waite should become a permenant forward, only going down back because of injuries, specific match ups, or if we are getting belted by someone.

I thought yesterday was better from him and he DID play a team role.

BUT he always does after a bad week and coping it from all corners. Like a child he pulls his head in and plays properly until his real personality surfaces. There is no way in hell he will keep playing the same role week in week out.

If he does we will see Bad Fev sooner rather than later.

As I have said before and will continue to we will NEVER win a premiership with Fev in the side.

Agree with that.

I think the idea of two tall defenders is both impractical considering our list, and denying the play of Thornton, Bower, Austin and Jamison from HB.

I think we can play 3 talls down there, it's just a matter of which one deserves the chop. Jamison is untouchable. I think it comes down to a question of week to week matchups, and maybe even two will suffer when we come up against a side like North.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Browne,Jamo,Thornton
Bower,Austin,Grigg
Simmo,Gibbs,Waite
Walker, Kruezer,Robbo
Betts,Fev,Yarran

Warnock,Juddy,Murph

Hampson,Stevens,Houlihan,Scotland

I like it.

Mine's a bit different, but I can buy that team.

Who is your emrgency? Pick 4.

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Yes that's close to my favourite 22, young and exciting
Average age 22.7

You've got Grigg Walker Warnock and Houlihan in for Army Joseph Russell and Hadley.

I have no issue leaving Army out and Hadley probably. Russell I'm finding tough to leave out - he's a tease... but yeah he goes out
I think Joseph would get a game for my team. He's an AFL footballer and Yarran isn't...yet.

So it's out Yarran in Joseph

emergencies: Russell Carrazzo Hadley Yarran

Hawthorn don't have any tall defenders left. St Kilda play 3 talls in Gilbert, Fisher and Dawson (or Hudgton). Geelong play 3 as well in Scarlett, Taylor, and Harley (Milburn makes it almost 3 and 1/2).

I agree we need more defensive run and rebound. I think we sometimes play extra talls in defence to cover for the quality or maturity of our talls. But don't agree with the statement about only 2 tall defenders. In fact, very few clubs play less than 3 tall defenders (and some more). As long as the talls are fairly agile, and midfield gets back to help, the extra talls can help. It's up forward that clubs rarely have more than 2 talls, and sometimes only 1, and sometimes none at all. When you're outnumbered up forward, you really need nippy players to apply defensive pressure against the rebound.

Bondi, my emergencies are Joeseph, Armfield, Russell, Carazzo.
Hadley unlucky to miss out but has disappointed a little.
I like Hartlett and still think he can play a role somewhere in a long season.
If Sam Jacobs hadn`t been injured i think we could have pinched one of those close losses.

Yeah good team.

Agree they are all good emrgencies and worthy of a spot.

The Jacobs theory is a possibility.Tend to agree.

Any team with Hampson in it is going places imo.

Thanks for your perspective.

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Three talls in the backline every day in the week for me.

Too exposed in height.

Don't go there. We have experienced a height deficiency since 2002, and now we've finally got them on our list you want to entertain the thought of 2 talls.

Got to be kidding. Watch some old footage, and then look at the number of super forwards in opposition teams who are tall and fast.

Have you thought about combining the strengths of height and pace and see what you can get.

At Carlton we have a plethora of candidates to play tall defensive role with pace.

Jamison 193 has pace and that's why he's our FB. Not flashy, not super tall.
Bower 193 has pace and doesn't get beaten in his unorthodox way, not super tall but a line breaker
Austin 194 has pace and is just being introduced to the seniors. Great reach, long arms. Creative
Thornton 192 has pace but likes to hold onto the ball. Good mark, not super tall. Creative
Waite has pace and an amazing player (also needed fwd) and has taken some big scalps and a line breaker. Creative
Setanta 200 has pace and has taken some big scalps. Super tall to mind ruckmen and gorillas and a line breaker. Accidently brilliant.
Hampson 203 is super quick and has all the attributes to be a KP defender (also fwd & ruck) and a line breaker
Bannister 190 has pace and is a good run with defender. Building up to the pace from injury. Tallish
Grigg 190 has super pace and aggressive line breaker
Walker 190 has super pace and aggressive line breaker

Hartlett doesn't have pace imo (could be wrong though).

We have pace within our tall group and to prove a point we often give Jamison and Thornton small forwards to play on (Medhurst and Williams)

Maybe too many negatating types of tall defenders wouldn'd be good, but there's nothing wrong with being super tall and super fast. If we had 3 Hampsons I'm sure they would be groomed for Key back, key Fwd and ruck.

4 talls / 2 tall

B: Walker Jamison Bower
HB: Waite Hampson Grigg

or

4 talls / 1 super tall / 1 tall

B: Thornton Jamison Bower
HB: Walker Austin Setanta/ Waite

There's some pace in those combinations.

Watch for 2010-2011: They know we're coming.

Hey we may yet win a flag this year if we get a good run with injuries in the last quarter of the season (round 16 onwards).

Gotta be happy with that.

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Not sure that Thornton is very quick. But I agree on the (at least) 3 talls down back theory.

Joseph, Jamison, Thornton
Scotland, Bower, Grigg
Simpson, Gibbs, Walker
Kruezer, Waite, Houlihan
Betts, Fevola, Robinson
Warnock, Judd, Murphy

Hampson, Stevens, Carrazzo, Hadley

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Ladies and Gentlemen we have a winner.

That is the best 22 i have seen so far.

Well done

Grigg, Walker and Warnock plus Carrazzo makes us a powerful young team that can win finals - good bottom six! It's rare to have your best team on the ground, so need to add more quality to the list.

If we could squeeze Armfield in to the forward line as a harrassing defensive type who could stem the flow of the ball coming out i would be happier.

Personally i would only play one of Hampson or Warnoch and take kruiser out of that forward line. I reckon he is not required in there if you have Waite and Robinson playing there. A balance thing.

So mine would be.

Joseph, Jamison, Thornton
Scotland, Bower, Grigg
Simpson, Gibbs, Walker
Armfield, Waite, Houlihan
Betts, Fevola, Robinson
Kruezer, Judd, Murphy

Hampson/Warnoch, Stevens, Carrazzo, Russell

YES Great team.

Lets Tick the boxes first

3 Talls in defense CHECK
3 athletic ruckmen/fwds CHECK
Our plethora of A grade midfielders CHECK

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My team, with a view of pushing for a premiership in the next couple of years, would look something along the lines of

I personally can't see Warnock having much of an impact on THIS season, but god help the opposition next year after a full preseason, he has put on some kg's and has been part of the pre-season training in the hit out set up's !!!!!!!!!!!

Also the development of our backline as a defensive group will have a HUGE influence on team structure, not just down back but up forward as well !!!!!!!

God it is getting harder and harder picking a top 22 now !!!!!!! My ideal set up from the start of next year would look something like

Joseph (19) ........... Jamison (22) ........... Austin (20)
Grigg (21) .............. Bower (20) .......... Armfield (22)
Gibbs (20) ............. Hadley (26) ............ Walker (23)
Kreuzer (20) ........... Waite (26) .......... Robinson (19)
Betts (22) ............... Fev (28) .............. Yarren (18)
Warnock (22) .......... Judd (25) ............. Murphy (21)

Hampson (21), Simpson (25), Carrazzo (25), Browne (20)

QUALITY depth players. Garlett, Houlihan, Jacobs, Johnson, Russel, Scotland, Stevens, Thornton.

I see the team being able to play together for the 2-3 years to really develop together with a good spread of experience and youth. Players VERY unlucky to not be include are Stevens, Scotland and Thornton (VERY unlucky but I went for Austin over Thornton for the 3rd tall option). I

That is a pretty young and exciting team to me. Kreuzer playing a Wigginsish role as a 3rd tall, leading down the wing and linking up with Waite and Fev would be great IMO. He also adds A LOT of forwardline pressure and we all know his roving ability. Waite could kill it at CHF if ever given a decent run up there !!!!!!! and he also adds A LOT of forward line defensive pressure, as does Robinson. We all know how deadly a crumber Betts is developing into, and Yarren by his side could = one deadly crumbing squad esp considering the marking power of Kreuzer/Waite/Fev (lots of packs = lots of crumbs)

Would love to see Gibbs and Walker running wild on the wings. Hadley in the centre is my hardest spot, simply because we need him as the in and under midfielder to free up Judd and he SHOULD be there but his form hasn't warranted it to a degree (shown promise at times, but not consistant enough ATM IMO, but hopefully that will change)

Joseph will develop into a great tagger IMO and does a role for the team. Would LOVE to see the backline settle with Bower and Jamison as the 2 key big men, and Austin taking the 3rd tall. Armfield is ahead in the small defender spot, and Grigg could grow into the sweeper/rebounding defender Waite has made his own.

Hampson off the bench as a back up ruckmen who is also a great athlete, so can play up forward to stretch the oppositions defence.

Simpson and Carrazzo coming off the bench to rotate through the midfield, Browne to rotate through the Defence.

Most players can play multiple roles (Austin forward or back, Grigg back or midfield, Walker midfield or forward, Waite anywhere) so the team would have flexability and mis matches created around the ground.

I have prob missed someone somewhere, but that looks like a pretty good side to me ............

Josh Kennedy would fit in nicely right now. A genuine exciting tall forward and Is going to be a gun. I'd love him back at Carlton

Not going to be popular for saying this but i'd trade Yarran for Kennedy in a heart beat.