PROS
Judd - can he be any better?
Murphy - he is learing this year the work required around the ground.
Kruez - Had better disposal than most of our midfielders.
Waite - fantastic game bar a couple of clangers.
Joseph - 2nd year and imposes himself on the contest more than most.
Armfield - see above. These blokes give a shit.
Bower - played well and runs the lines.
Hampson - super athletic give him more game time and eventually the marks will stick.
Yarran and Austin - AFL footballers, keep playing them.

CONS
Russell - 5th year and still cannot develop any form of consistancy. 16 possesions, 1 behind, 2 tackles and no clearances. Has the body to impose himself but is no way near as valuable as Joseph and Armfield.
Cloke - enough said.
Wiggins - he is not imposing himself on the contest so his poor disposal should be enough to see Robinson replace him immediately.
Simpson - tried hard but had poor disposal all night.

The defeatest, victim, laconic attitude is engrained in us so deeply from years of turd football that it is going to take considerable time to weed this out. Our best players and our kids are fantastic, but this mentality continues to bring us undone.

We fail to run the lines and @#$%&! around with the ball enabling opposition players to get back and clog up our defense. It is getting boring watching this, we are failing to change this aspect.

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Pros

It gave the ranters plenty of ammo to vent their spleen

Thus saving me from reading most of the posts

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Cons:

Sick of seeing Judd, Murphy and Kruz consistently carrying the rest of the other blokes

PROS: the usual half dozen

CON:
1. Stevens - After 12-13 years playing at the highest level he should seriously consider retiring. He is an imposter....great forward runner but average when the going is tough. Suffers illusions of grandeur because he feels he is above chasing or putting his body on the line.

2. the rest of the forward line cannot fill the breach when Fev and to a lesser extent Eddy have an off night. Cloke & Wiggins are not the answer.

Pros; Good solid game by Yarran, hopefully will get some confidence from this
Judd, Murphy and Kreuzer (again)

Cons;
Fev' shocker, Wiggins, Cloke. Hadley, Stevens.
Poor skills, innacurate kicking for goal.
sick and tired of losing.

Pros:
Judd - this guy walks on water and turns water into wine
Murphy - good game
Joseph & Armfield - made some wrong decision, some bad kicks, but really busted their guts out.
Bower - not bad, some of his spoiling were quite effective, but too much hesitation, he takes some small steps and swinging arms when he panics
Kruezer - good try, Sandilands is way too big.
Yarran - not bad in the 1st quarter.


Cons:
- Too bloody soft
- Tackling is more like hugging, someone please teach Simpson the chicken wing tackle, all of his tackles were not effective.
- Scotland 35 possessions, they are all cheap and easy ones. He just runs near a young player and demands the ball. I have seen him a lot of times trying to avoid a hard contest. He doesn't want to do any hard work, same with Stevens.
- Hampson has got Barnaby French's soft hands.
- Hard ball gets are non existent, when a freo player and a carlton player runs to the ball, carlton player bends down to pick the ball up, freo player dives on it and wins the contest. These sort of things happened in the Hawthorn game too.
- Cloke is fat and lazy, feel free to use some of the old Lance Whitnall jokes on him.
- Jamison is not as good as last year, his ball controlling was pretty bad.
- Nick Stevens deadly accurate foot pass is gone, which makes him a very ordinary player now.
- Our leadership group - Chris Judd, Nick Stevens, Brendan Fevola, Heath Scotland, Andrew Carrazzo and Kade Simpson. 1 was one brilliant, 1 is injured, the rest of them are pathetic.

very well put.

we will improve as the year progresses and will make the 8. Once we are there, provided we play to our potential we are as good a chance as anyone. Most important thing for me so far this season is that we have been in EVERY game that we've played. We've also had the chance to put most games away (only exception being the swans game) - whilst we havent managed to do so as yet, with a bit more experience/bulk (murphy/gibbs/kreuzer etc getting stronger) we should be able to start winning a few more of the close ones.

I was at the game last night and this is how I see it:

Pros
- Yarran getting a taste and another match into Austin and Hampson. They all showed promise at various stages and we need to persist with them. It's much better than losing with the likes of Bentley, O'Hailpin etc in the side who aren't the future.
- Judd, Murphy, Gibbs & Krueze
- Waite up forward
- Bower nullifying Pavlich
- Joseph a good find for us.

Cons
- Fev's poor body language. Regardless of whether he was injured or not - it is unacceptable.
- Wiggins and Cloke gave us nothing up forward.
- Stevens soft and unaccountable.
- Armfield - I like the run/rebound he offers but his disposal/decision making needs to improve.
- Betts not his usual clinical self - hopefully will rebound next week.
- Jamo a bit down - is his shoulder OK? Maybe he should have the same type of operation that Tex recently had?

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Pro...BB hasn't been on here telling us how great Stevo played

Con...

It's only a matter of time

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CON: I hate it that far too often when a Carlton player marks, their first instinct is too look sideways, then backwards
for someone to pass it too. That shows a negative attitude. Take a mark, move it on quickly & in the forward direction for fsake.

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is this the group that dedicated the season to the memory of richard pratt - hang your heads in shame!!!

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Please refer to my earlier post.

Why do posters need to switch threads in order to discuss somebodies Pros and Cons?!

Makes no sense.

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It's like they've already forgotten. There certainly didnt seem to be much determination or spirit in last nights performance.

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I think in they (apart from Fev and a couple of others) tried theirs hearts out in the second half but had no avenues to goal. They ended up taking potshots from nowhere in exasperation as Freo got numbers back and our pathetic forwards offered nothing

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Pro:

Even though we looked flat and played poorly from the outset we fought it out and lost by less than 2 kicks.

Judd/Murphy. Another fine display.


Con:

Fevola injured just by walking onto the ground? A fit Fev and we'd have beaten the Dockers IMO.

Stevens has no defensive side to his game.

Killed by Fee Fi Fo Fum not only in the ruck but around the ground.

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Yep, and we all know how good Kreuzer is and how hard he tries. Sandliands had a massive night and must have created 5 goals from his own good tap work. hard to see how to mitigate that without 206.

PROS

Judd
Murphy
Kruezer tried hard and showed again how much talent he is
Waite versatile and has really matured
Scotland did OK
Bower pretty good again, has improved the last few weeks
Aaron and Army tried hard again
Hampson showed a bit as a forward. Can get on a lead and take a grab, and while he isn't hugely skilled, he does provide more pace and effort than Cloke.


CONS

Gibbs' kicking
Cloke and Wigigns gave nothing as forwards
Fevola shows us one good reason why we should consider biting the bullet and trading him
Thornton took backward steps again
Betts poor
Simpson, Stevens and Hadley very poor in midfield

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Something that impressed me about Lurch was his ability to go with Kreuz around the ground pretty well. Just an outstanding game.

I reckon its more to do with no-one of any class being able to present up the ground. Don't forget our go to men are Wiggins and Cloke...need I say more???

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