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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 1:39 am 
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The Bombers showed us tonight how to beat the bigger/stronger boddies, run, run and flowering run and take them on. I kept on saying to my mate last week during the game that the Hawks were not playing well and the only way for us to win was to take them on ala Armfield at the end. We fell in to their game plan. Instead of bringing in pace against the Hawks we bring in a bigger body but slow player in Bentley to match them instead of bringing in a player to beat them.

Name the players with quick legs we could have promoted in light of Grigg, Yarran, Walker, Robinson and Garlett being unavailable for selection. :?

Our work off the ball and shepherding was where we fell down against Hawthorn.


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 7:58 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
hawks kick 6 straight in the first last week
This week they kick 1 8 if that was 8 1 it would have been game over
Cannot under estimate the importance of kicking straight
Fev missed 4 shots from inside 35 and none on an angle
Every game we have lost we have out played the opposition
It is our conversion rate that is beating us




So we win if Fev kicks 10 yeah???? :screwy:

We should win by 40 points the games Fev kicks ten.... not by a goal...

They were smashed by a very young Essendon* team.. that just attacked them...

Knights showed how its done..


Agreed Synbad
The Bono's and polyanna's can say what they like (and they're entitled to on this site).
We are a long way off it
Kick out strategies?
Protecting Judd?
Supporting Judd so he can also be an outside player occasionally?
Giving Kruezer some time up forward?
Poor selections at least twice this year?
Lack of alternative plan when A goes awry
Reverting back to the well worn, "Kick it to Fev" mentality?
Make a flowering decision on Setanta. Is it any wonder he's not kicking arse (except Cloke's) and being driven to alcoholism??
Finding space in our f50? There are either no fwds there or the whole 36 are in there + runners +training staff?

And no, the sky isn't falling down, nor do we have no hope, we are just a long way off it, but given some of the reasons above we can control, the club needs to take some responsibility as to why we're a long way off it. It's not always about development and time. If we make some astute decisions, we can expediate development and time. Yes, we will lose close ones and feel that improvement is coming along but please, lets not praise mediocrity.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 8:10 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
hawks kick 6 straight in the first last week
This week they kick 1 8 if that was 8 1 it would have been game over
Cannot under estimate the importance of kicking straight
Fev missed 4 shots from inside 35 and none on an angle
Every game we have lost we have out played the opposition
It is our conversion rate that is beating us



Hawks lost last night is because they didn't kick straight in the first quarter last week they did
We have lost 3 games because of inaccurate kicking and Fev is the main culprit
Most game you go inside 50 about 50 times if you can turn 25 to 30 them in to scoring chances you are a good chance of winning but if 15 to 20 are missed you lose
Most of our forward entries are directed at fev he has kicked 23 17 if he had kicked 30 10 we are 6 and 0

Lloyd hardly misses makes the most of his limited chances
Roughesd couldn't miss last week last night he was a bit off

Kicking goals when you get the chance is now more important than it has ever been as zoning is severlly limiting you chances at goal


Bit you don't understand that you think it's boys club thingy


So we win if Fev kicks 10 yeah???? :screwy:

We should win by 40 points the games Fev kicks ten.... not by a goal...

They were smashed by a very young Essendon* team.. that just attacked them...

Knights showed how its done..

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 8:18 am 
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Hawks lost by 44 points because they didnt kick straight?


Look if Essendon* had kicked straighter they would have won by more.....

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 8:19 am 
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Stephen McBurney (3) Matthew Nicholls (15) Jacob Mollison (32)

Hmmm.

I am really starting to flowering dislike McBurney and Nicholls can be an absolute goose!

Might get some crucial boundary decisions go our way with Luke "Rhino" O'Sullivan patrolling the outside line...


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:00 am 
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99prelim wrote:
The Bono's and polyanna's can say what they like (and they're entitled to on this site).
We are a long way off it
Kick out strategies?
Protecting Judd?
Supporting Judd so he can also be an outside player occasionally?
Giving Kruezer some time up forward?
Poor selections at least twice this year?
Lack of alternative plan when A goes awry
Reverting back to the well worn, "Kick it to Fev" mentality?
Make a flowering decision on Setanta. Is it any wonder he's not kicking arse (except Cloke's) and being driven to alcoholism??
Finding space in our f50? There are either no fwds there or the whole 36 are in there + runners +training staff?

And no, the sky isn't falling down, nor do we have no hope, we are just a long way off it, but given some of the reasons above we can control, the club needs to take some responsibility as to why we're a long way off it. It's not always about development and time. If we make some astute decisions, we can expediate development and time. Yes, we will lose close ones and feel that improvement is coming along but please, lets not praise mediocrity.



Hmmm, perhaps the MC dont have your wealth of knowledge and experience.
Why dont you outline your strategies here so we can all make judgments on their ineptitude?

Which kickout strategies would you like us to employ and how would you like them implemented? Who stands where and what strategy should we employ if the opposition counter it?
How can we protect Judd better than we are now and how can we support him so he can "be an outside player occasionally?
Which plan should they use "when plan A goes awry" and how would you like it taught and implemented?

That will probably do for now. We wouldn't want you to overdose us Bonos and Pollyannas.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:07 am 
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In terms of protecting Judd, I thought that's why Hadley was brought to the club for? While he might be slow, he does his best work in the clinches with his in and under work. I'm pretty sure he did that at Brisbane for the likes of Aker, Black, Power etc

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 11:22 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
99prelim wrote:
The Bono's and polyanna's can say what they like (and they're entitled to on this site).
We are a long way off it
Kick out strategies?
Protecting Judd?
Supporting Judd so he can also be an outside player occasionally?
Giving Kruezer some time up forward?
Poor selections at least twice this year?
Lack of alternative plan when A goes awry
Reverting back to the well worn, "Kick it to Fev" mentality?
Make a flowering decision on Setanta. Is it any wonder he's not kicking arse (except Cloke's) and being driven to alcoholism??
Finding space in our f50? There are either no fwds there or the whole 36 are in there + runners +training staff?

And no, the sky isn't falling down, nor do we have no hope, we are just a long way off it, but given some of the reasons above we can control, the club needs to take some responsibility as to why we're a long way off it. It's not always about development and time. If we make some astute decisions, we can expediate development and time. Yes, we will lose close ones and feel that improvement is coming along but please, lets not praise mediocrity.



Hmmm, perhaps the MC dont have your wealth of knowledge and experience.
Why dont you outline your strategies here so we can all make judgments on their ineptitude?

Which kickout strategies would you like us to employ and how would you like them implemented? Who stands where and what strategy should we employ if the opposition counter it?
How can we protect Judd better than we are now and how can we support him so he can "be an outside player occasionally?
Which plan should they use "when plan A goes awry" and how would you like it taught and implemented?

That will probably do for now. We wouldn't want you to overdose us Bonos and Pollyannas.


BV, do you think the MC haven't made any errors in game plan strategy & selection so far this year?

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 11:27 am 
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99prelim wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
hawks kick 6 straight in the first last week
This week they kick 1 8 if that was 8 1 it would have been game over
Cannot under estimate the importance of kicking straight
Fev missed 4 shots from inside 35 and none on an angle
Every game we have lost we have out played the opposition
It is our conversion rate that is beating us




So we win if Fev kicks 10 yeah???? :screwy:

We should win by 40 points the games Fev kicks ten.... not by a goal...

They were smashed by a very young Essendon* team.. that just attacked them...

Knights showed how its done..


Agreed Synbad
The Bono's and polyanna's can say what they like (and they're entitled to on this site).
We are a long way off it
Kick out strategies?
Protecting Judd?
Supporting Judd so he can also be an outside player occasionally?
Giving Kruezer some time up forward?
Poor selections at least twice this year?
Lack of alternative plan when A goes awry
Reverting back to the well worn, "Kick it to Fev" mentality?
Make a flowering decision on Setanta. Is it any wonder he's not kicking arse (except Cloke's) and being driven to alcoholism??
Finding space in our f50? There are either no fwds there or the whole 36 are in there + runners +training staff?

And no, the sky isn't falling down, nor do we have no hope, we are just a long way off it, but given some of the reasons above we can control, the club needs to take some responsibility as to why we're a long way off it. It's not always about development and time. If we make some astute decisions, we can expediate development and time. Yes, we will lose close ones and feel that improvement is coming along but please, lets not praise mediocrity.



I agree that we need to give Kreuzer more time up forward and
we have made some shocking selections this year, but

We are not THAT far off. When we play our best footy we are excellent, it's a matter of doing it consistently and no reverting back to our old game style. Yes, we do need to iron out a few issues, but I think we're addressing them.

Reverting back to kick it to Fev? 1 game ou of 6 we've done that. And we nearly won.
And make a flower decision on Setanta??????? Do you think they either have to decide he is in the whole season or out the whole season? What a joke! He is a borderline player. He will come in when we need him. If he plays well enough he will hold his spot. If there are better alternatives, they will come in. The MC has to pick the BEST TEAM EACH WEEK!
Either Austin or Hampson has come in for Setanta. When they bought Setanta in Austin had only just come back from injury, and a pure ruckman like Hampson wasn't needed against the Dogs. Austin has been playing very good footy in the 2's, he is young, and looks to be a quality KPP for the future. Then a for Hampson, he was an absolute must against Sandilands, plain and obvious.

The MC has picked the best team to beat Freo. Setanta will have to understand that unless he plays well enough to demand a position, he will be in and out as the team needs him. Thats why you have reserves! I don't understand how the MC have to "decide on Setanta"

FWIW I do think Setanta has a role to play in our team against some teams, as we are a bit short down back at times. For example, I thought he was a must against Essendon* to take Lloyd or Lucas and release Waite. But unless he improves he will continue to be in and out of the team.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 11:44 am 
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Can't wait for tonight - and we'll get more out of playing them now they're on the up than we would have three weeks ago!
Here's hoping we see a very dominant Carlton display, a strong Fremantle display, and a quiet display from the Umps....

Look out Royal Pines and Cararra, there's some mighty expectant Blues fans heading your way!! :)

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 12:06 pm 
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Selling this game away could be a major talking point on this forum during the week if we lose.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 1:01 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
99prelim wrote:
The Bono's and polyanna's can say what they like (and they're entitled to on this site).
We are a long way off it
Kick out strategies?
Protecting Judd?
Supporting Judd so he can also be an outside player occasionally?
Giving Kruezer some time up forward?
Poor selections at least twice this year?
Lack of alternative plan when A goes awry
Reverting back to the well worn, "Kick it to Fev" mentality?
Make a flowering decision on Setanta. Is it any wonder he's not kicking arse (except Cloke's) and being driven to alcoholism??
Finding space in our f50? There are either no fwds there or the whole 36 are in there + runners +training staff?

And no, the sky isn't falling down, nor do we have no hope, we are just a long way off it, but given some of the reasons above we can control, the club needs to take some responsibility as to why we're a long way off it. It's not always about development and time. If we make some astute decisions, we can expediate development and time. Yes, we will lose close ones and feel that improvement is coming along but please, lets not praise mediocrity.



Hmmm, perhaps the MC dont have your wealth of knowledge and experience.
Why dont you outline your strategies here so we can all make judgments on their ineptitude?

Which kickout strategies would you like us to employ and how would you like them implemented? Who stands where and what strategy should we employ if the opposition counter it?
How can we protect Judd better than we are now and how can we support him so he can "be an outside player occasionally?
Which plan should they use "when plan A goes awry" and how would you like it taught and implemented?

That will probably do for now. We wouldn't want you to overdose us Bonos and Pollyannas.


BV I know you won't like this answer but I'm not paid to make those decisions. Having said that, Essendon* who I loathe and personally believe are not as good as us were able to seize the opportunity against us, against the pies (undermanned) and with Hille/Fletcher out, comfortably beat Hawthorn. So comparing apples with apples, the Knights led MC have it over our MC at the moment. I find that a flowering worry.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 1:10 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
hawks kick 6 straight in the first last week
This week they kick 1 8 if that was 8 1 it would have been game over
Cannot under estimate the importance of kicking straight
Fev missed 4 shots from inside 35 and none on an angle
Every game we have lost we have out played the opposition
It is our conversion rate that is beating us




So we win if Fev kicks 10 yeah???? :screwy:

We should win by 40 points the games Fev kicks ten.... not by a goal...

They were smashed by a very young Essendon* team.. that just attacked them...

Knights showed how its done..


Agreed Synbad
The Bono's and polyanna's can say what they like (and they're entitled to on this site).
We are a long way off it
Kick out strategies?
Protecting Judd?
Supporting Judd so he can also be an outside player occasionally?
Giving Kruezer some time up forward?
Poor selections at least twice this year?
Lack of alternative plan when A goes awry
Reverting back to the well worn, "Kick it to Fev" mentality?
Make a flowering decision on Setanta. Is it any wonder he's not kicking arse (except Cloke's) and being driven to alcoholism??
Finding space in our f50? There are either no fwds there or the whole 36 are in there + runners +training staff?

And no, the sky isn't falling down, nor do we have no hope, we are just a long way off it, but given some of the reasons above we can control, the club needs to take some responsibility as to why we're a long way off it. It's not always about development and time. If we make some astute decisions, we can expediate development and time. Yes, we will lose close ones and feel that improvement is coming along but please, lets not praise mediocrity.



I agree that we need to give Kreuzer more time up forward and
we have made some shocking selections this year, but

We are not THAT far off. When we play our best footy we are excellent, it's a matter of doing it consistently and no reverting back to our old game style. Yes, we do need to iron out a few issues, but I think we're addressing them.

Reverting back to kick it to Fev? 1 game ou of 6 we've done that. And we nearly won.
And make a flower decision on Setanta??????? Do you think they either have to decide he is in the whole season or out the whole season? What a joke! He is a borderline player. He will come in when we need him. If he plays well enough he will hold his spot. If there are better alternatives, they will come in. The MC has to pick the BEST TEAM EACH WEEK!
Either Austin or Hampson has come in for Setanta. When they bought Setanta in Austin had only just come back from injury, and a pure ruckman like Hampson wasn't needed against the Dogs. Austin has been playing very good footy in the 2's, he is young, and looks to be a quality KPP for the future. Then a for Hampson, he was an absolute must against Sandilands, plain and obvious.

The MC has picked the best team to beat Freo. Setanta will have to understand that unless he plays well enough to demand a position, he will be in and out as the team needs him. Thats why you have reserves! I don't understand how the MC have to "decide on Setanta"

FWIW I do think Setanta has a role to play in our team against some teams, as we are a bit short down back at times. For example, I thought he was a must against Essendon* to take Lloyd or Lucas and release Waite. But unless he improves he will continue to be in and out of the team.


Rephrase..."show faith in him for a few weeks"

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the only thing Essendon* have shown is that they are not the basket case many hope they would be. In fact I think we'll be playing a fair few finals against them in the next few years.

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99prelim wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
99prelim wrote:
The Bono's and polyanna's can say what they like (and they're entitled to on this site).
We are a long way off it
Kick out strategies?
Protecting Judd?
Supporting Judd so he can also be an outside player occasionally?
Giving Kruezer some time up forward?
Poor selections at least twice this year?
Lack of alternative plan when A goes awry
Reverting back to the well worn, "Kick it to Fev" mentality?
Make a flowering decision on Setanta. Is it any wonder he's not kicking arse (except Cloke's) and being driven to alcoholism??
Finding space in our f50? There are either no fwds there or the whole 36 are in there + runners +training staff?

And no, the sky isn't falling down, nor do we have no hope, we are just a long way off it, but given some of the reasons above we can control, the club needs to take some responsibility as to why we're a long way off it. It's not always about development and time. If we make some astute decisions, we can expediate development and time. Yes, we will lose close ones and feel that improvement is coming along but please, lets not praise mediocrity.



Hmmm, perhaps the MC dont have your wealth of knowledge and experience.
Why dont you outline your strategies here so we can all make judgments on their ineptitude?

Which kickout strategies would you like us to employ and how would you like them implemented? Who stands where and what strategy should we employ if the opposition counter it?
How can we protect Judd better than we are now and how can we support him so he can "be an outside player occasionally?
Which plan should they use "when plan A goes awry" and how would you like it taught and implemented?

That will probably do for now. We wouldn't want you to overdose us Bonos and Pollyannas.


BV I know you won't like this answer but I'm not paid to make those decisions. Having said that, Essendon* who I loathe and personally believe are not as good as us were able to seize the opportunity against us, against the pies (undermanned) and with Hille/Fletcher out, comfortably beat Hawthorn. So comparing apples with apples, the Knights led MC have it over our MC at the moment. I find that a flowering worry.


Yet they've lost 3 games?


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 2:13 pm 
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The whole Essendon* are showing us how it is done argument is contentious. They only won because we softened the Hawks up. It is a warning that we will have to butter up really well to win tonight.


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 2:44 pm 
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Yarran is getting a taste of the "big-time" which is fantastic. The expectation on him from supporters needs to be kept to a minimum. I am quite simply hoping that this game will give him an understanding of what is required at the top level and spur him on to get his intensity levels to what is required to be an AFL superstar.

I think the similarities between Yarran and Leon Davis will be all the more apparant in the coming years not because Yarran will not be the better player, but solely because for the next couple of seasons he will be nothing more than flashy before the penny drops ala Davis.

Good luck Yarran, I hope you play a blinder, but other than disappointment I won't be taking pot shots at your recruitment if you fail to satisfy supporters in your first couple of years.

He's got a long way to go before he'll live up to the number 5 pick. Giving him a game now is perfect for his development.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 2:54 pm 
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budzy wrote:
BV, do you think the MC haven't made any errors in game plan strategy & selection so far this year?


Budzy, every match committee has made errors in selection and strategy.
If there's a team that hasn't, I'd like to know who they are.

The important question for me is have we improved?
Are we winning the ball better from stoppages? A definite yes.
Is our forward line functioning better allowing us to spread the load better? A definite yes.
Is our backline performing better than last year? A definite yes from me.
Are our players performing with more confidence and are our youngsters performing at Bullants level and placing pressure on the incumbents? A definite yes.
We've lost 3 games by a total of 25 points and won 3 games by 145 points.

Some people need to remember where we've been over the past 7 years and how totally inept we were. It was only 2 years ago we were consistently recieving 100 point beltings!
You can't turn shit into chocolate cake in the space of 12 months.

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