What are you getting at here?

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Judd has said numerous times that he pays little attention to the media and what's written and discussed. He did early in his career but realised quickly that he was turning over his emotions to other people.

IF this is part of the explanation to our poor performance on Sat, then I fully expect it to be rectified this week.

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We are on our way back...

Yep next 3 weeks are crucial

2-4 and we are in trouble and the laughing stock of the competition

We need to beat Sydney and the bulldogs and face the hawks at 4-1

Anything less than 3-3 is unnacceptable after 6

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

2-4 and Ratten will be buying his undies from Best and Less in a rougher shade of beige.

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9-2

I find sellers funnier than Dave Hughes

Ouch!

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

Mark Maclure would have to be one of the most under-rated past champions of the Carlton Football Club and AFL/VFL Football in general - only 188cm tall - he held down Centre Half Forward for the best part of 10 seasons of football and was a 3 time premiership Centre Half Forward.

He manfully played the position using his body as a battering ram and bringing into the game and protecting our famed "Mosquito Fleet of the late 70s and early 80s.

Yes he was part of that big drinking, partying culture that was Carlton of the time - but as per his speech each and everyone of those players knew "when it was there turn to go".

He is a keen student of the game and although doesnt say much when he does its worth listening to.

Disappointing if true that the players were more interested in Dave Hughes than Mark Maclure - but as someone else pointed out his words should be carved in stone and repeated again to this playing group as they strive to do something they have not done in about 8 years and that is to beat Sydney.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

That's a real problem when your experienced backman is known for his temper and has it exploited, right where it costs guaranteed goals.

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Gaga and The Hoff party hard in London

Spot on - especially when you consider Richmond has an easy 4 weeks could easily be 4 wins and 3 losses after 7 rounds. We could be below them

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

Pro: Judd didn't make Matt Burgan's team of the week.

B: Brendan Whitecross (Hawthorn), Brian Lake (Western Bulldogs), Brent Guerra (Hawthorn)

HB: Josh Drummond (Brisbane Lions), Sam Gilbert (St Kilda), Lindsay Gilbee (Western Bulldogs)

C: Leigh Montagna (St Kilda), Sam Mitchell (Hawthorn), Clinton Jones (St Kilda)

HF: Paul Chapman (Geelong), Nick Riewoldt (St Kilda), Brendon Goddard (St Kilda)

F: Jason Akermanis (Western Bulldogs), Matthew Lloyd (Essendon*), Warren Tredrea (Port Adelaide)

FOLL: Josh Fraser (Collingwood), Brent Stanton (Essendon*), Gary Ablett (Geelong)

I/C: Jarryd Roughead (Hawthorn), Jed Adcock (Brisbane Lions), Jason Porplyzia (Adelaide), Paul Hasleby (Fremantle)

Judd is under the radar...

Pros:

Judd

Cons:

Fevola's kicking. Sore foot or not, you do not get paid that much money to miss.
Thorton - should know better. Got sucked in big time and was lucky he didn't give another one away immediately after the first one.

Yes it was dissapointing. This week will be a big challenge.

Pros:

- Offensive game plan involving quality ball movement (until creating space ceased).
- Judd - superstar in all facets of the game
- Jacobs - fantastic composure in-play, around the ground.
- Joseph - after re-watching the game I was very surprised at the quality of his disposals
- Betts
- Robinson - crashing a pack and the general laying of tackles and harassment

Cons:

- I have never been so infuriated over a football game.
- Downhill skiers = Carlton's midfield
- Players completely exhausted from the hard running game. If they were willing to put their head over the ball and harass we would have created turnovers (ala Tiges) and thus had the ball to hold it up and stunt the momentum instead of expending energy with half-arsed running around the ground chasing the opposition
- Murphy/Houlihan noticeably not chasing or harassing, playing great individual games stats wise but not doing the team things
- Discipline - Thornton should be punished with a week in the magoos to set a precedent
- Garlett - no question marks long-term but really needs time to boost his engine and strength
- Too many players had average games to mention
- Russell - can someone enlighten me on what his role was? His stats were abysmal and besides a cameo goal in the first and a few disposals in the last who did he shutdown? Why wasn't he moved onto Lovett when he was tearing us a new-one? 13 disposals, 1 tackle, no inside 50's, no goal assists?
We did not deserve to win this game. Since my first posts I've talked about intensity and harassment well before they became the buzz-words on this forum. We didn't have the skills back then nor the intensity, but in the very few games where we did really give a @#$%&! and ferociously tackle we managed to give a few teams a shake. We now have the skills, but the inability to irradiate this from a deplorable few years of football is very worrying. The problem with the removal of the zoning style recruitment is that players get picked up and are subsequently forced to barrack for the club that employs them. Unless players take absolute pride in their own performance ala Judd, do they really bleed for the club? I firmly believe with 10-15 less-gifted AFL footballers that grew up barracking for Carlton intent would have got the result on Saturday night - at the very least always against your Bombers/Pies/Tigers and inter-state teams.
We went for the shootout and in 9 out 10 times we would have won the game but for poor kicking and discipline and by a couple of goals. However if we had taken a genuine "team game" and hatred for Essendon* as seen by the multitude of supporters walking out of the ground livid, we would have wiped the floor with them and had a 100 point win to send them on their way to their first spoon.
It's taken me 3 days to calm down about this and I am still seething. I hope they take a long hard look at themselves and realise that was a piss-weak performance that disgraced tens of thousands of members and supporters that contribute and ensure they are paid exorbitant salaries to actually give a @#$%&! about the entertainment they provide. If you get soundly beaten by a better team that is completely acceptable, but to beaten by a far poorer team through their sheer endeavour is very impalpable.
That's my rant...

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You will also find that Russell was moved onto Lovett after half time. I remember because at the first bounce Russ went to the AFL members wing then realised that Lovett was on the MCC wing and swapped with Simo.

PROS:
- JUDD
- Jacobs
- Robbo
- Waite
- Another game in front of 70,000+ at the 'G for our young players. You can't buy that type of exposure to finals-like atmosphere.
- An early season wake-up call to all those Carlton people (players, coaches, committee, supporters alike) who forgot we are still developing our team. WE HAVEN'T PROVED ANYTHING YET!! I was one who was worried during the week by the "They aren't coming, they're already here!" & "Fab Four!"-type bullshit media articles. Actually, it wasn't the articles themselves that bothered me - it was that I knew some Carlton people (and, again, I'm not necessarily just talking about supporters) would be sucked into believing them to be true...
- We are all HURT by the loss. A good sign we are heading back towards a 'winning' mentality (let's hope the players are hurting as much as us....they certainly looked like they were after the game).

CONS :
- We lost a winnable game. It may come back to haunt us later in the year.
- T-Bird getting sucked in.
- Disappointing games from players who had been good in the first two games (Hadley, Gibbs, Houlihan, JR, Garlett, Cloke and, to a lesser degree, I thought Betts was down on previous weeks).
- Simmo's slow start to the season continues.
- Inaccurate kicking.
- Should we be resting Fev until he's totally over his foot problem? If it's true he's having injections before games, is that going to cause longer-term damage? (not exactly a CON I know, but just something I wonder about).
- Umpires
- Knowing that Essendon* had more blokes than us who wanted to run hard for their mates and work their backsides off for longer periods of the game.

I'm not sure I agree with the school of thought that the MC got it wrong. Would playing Carlos made a difference? Maybe, but I doubt it. Who knows - without the extra runner, we may have been run off our legs sooner? A somewhat underdone Carlos would have struggled on a fired-up Lloyd, IMO (and it's not a stretch to imagine Carlos getting sucked in the way T-Bird was).

I just think Ratten would have felt let down by his players on the night.

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

The effects of a mild flu outbreak in a team will always be a big unknown in team performance. You can lose 5-10% edge in performance without even knowing it with the lethargy that precedes the onset of some viruses or even the effects of vaccination. It can be a lethal combination with other factors. OK how do you factor in that Judd had the flu a few days before his superb performance? Just an observation, and you'd expect performance to improve across the board within a few days. You'd also have to be very cautious in reaching any conclusions, it's more of a silent unknown.

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Bawditawaba

I was being facetious. Lovett killed us in the 2nd half. He was the catalyst in our demise.
Anyhow, Russell wasn't the only one. If you have alarming stats you want to be the one that played a role in shutting down a player which he failed to do.

I was never getting ahead of myself about the year and knew all the hype would bring us undone. I said a drop in intensity and we'd be gone which happened. Extremely disappointing game. Easily winnable on paper and made even more painful because it was Essendon*.

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Thats me your talking about shuffagus, biggest bastard ive ever seen, i i thought blues fans were full of shit