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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:14 pm 
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Not sure how I'd get Grigga into the team. CJ's delivery was 1st class, morton was the wrong match up for him, no way would I be leaving him out of the team, in fact I'd leave Scotland out before CJ. i thought scoots looked underdone last night, was caught a couple of times.

I've been botha a houla dand a JR knocker but I thought they were both awesome last night, no way I'd drop either.

We're in a fortunate position with such a well balanced (as individuals and as a group) list that we don't have to be swapping like for like.

If the danger player - the one we can't quite cover - is an extra defender or sweeping midfielder, then the best pressure gets picked. If the danger player is an extra forward, then the player with the stronger one-out skills wins.

Going into the match, the MC probably wagered Morton's two or three against 10 or 12 from Richo, Brown, Reiwoldt and their midfield. The MC backed our blokes to play good footy and they delivered.

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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:38 pm 
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Richmond deliberately played through Johnson last night knowing he is suspect defensively, however you still try to find a matchup for Johnson. Even play him on the wing.

You see Hawthorn have someone like Guerra who is poor defensively and gives up a goal or two but he sets more goals up than he gives away. Maybe Johnson will be similar. Riley mentioned in the recent article on Carlton players that Johnson was recruited to provide better disposal out of defensive 50...I think he will prove to be a good recruit.

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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:18 pm 
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Geez whoever's going to be dropped for those guys to come back in will be stiff.. Robinson, Jacobs and Garlett will stay in for now (Robinson perhaps most of the year).

It's good now to be playing for finals aspirations, and while developing the kids is important were focused on the present because our side hasnt looked this promising in years!

I would say Joseph, Johnson, Russell will be the ones fighting for a place, but i must say i haven't been a Russell fan but I think last night he done a great job, and like the team he is growing more and more every week..

Were faced with a high quality problem, we have some GREAT depth and the likes of Fisher and Carrazzo will have to step it up because they wont be given games on a platter anymore.. Carrazzo is great, but there are many others in our side who use the ball better than he does and he'll have to keep working hard to get a spot back in the side..

It's time to get excited people... I don't know about you guys but I don't forget things easily and with the shit we had to put with for several years, I'm just happy to have the real navy blues back!

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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:21 pm 
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I for one also am a Houlihan fan and think he definetely adds to our side, is one of the best kicks (ask fev) in our side and I'm glad to have him in the team.. Blokes like him I believe are in for a really good year, he'll excell with the team that we are building now!

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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:23 pm 
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If we had to make changes.... Grigg in for Johnson and Stevo in later for Houlihan.... hard to justify dropping anyone. Yarran and Walker hopefully will push too. Great to have depth for once!

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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
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The other point is we are only one loss away from plenty of players to drop knowing this forum :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:41 pm 
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Those who can't see the progress Russell makes week after week go in with pre-conceived ideas.

No, we don't. I'm truly sick of reading this anytime someone voices the opinion that JR needs to do more to keep his spot, especially given the number of players to come back. It's alright to rip the shit out of Stevo, Carrots, Thornton and Houlihan at every opportunity, but question JR's position and it's suddenly "agenda...bias...pre-conceived ideas".


Stevo, Carrots, Thornton and Houlihan probably have 700 games between them.

Some kids take longer than others, the point is he's showing improvement. He won't improve playing Bullants. Look at Simpson, even Gibbs & Fevola, they hardly set the world on fire early in their careers. same applies to Thornton.

We're not talking about some rookie here. JR's been in the system for 5 years now, which is ample time to see what he's made of. You can't compare him to these other guys, as it didn't take these guys 5 years in the system to start "showing improvement". All were key players by this point, having to shoulder heavy loads in very ordinary teams I might add. Whether or not he's showing improvement isn't the issue, as we all know he is, but we're well within our rights to ask whether the improvement is sufficient to keep him in the team ahead of others ready to come back into the senior team. In my opinion, and others, it isn't. Accept it, and leave this bulldust about pre-conceived ideas at the door please, it's really tiresome. Grigg, Fish and Walker won't improve in the bullants either.


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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
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I think Simmo is in trouble for that bump. I am not sure if he has any carry over points but if he does he will get a week.

Grigg is clearly in our best 22, so he will come in.

If Simmo is not suspended than maybe Garlett is the unluck one.

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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
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Simpson doesn't have any carry over points.

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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:31 pm 
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If griggs fit, he`ll come straight in. i think he is crucial for the better sides. solid defender and great centre player. in for joseph or garlett. prob garlett

Walker for garlett, depends how tex goes in the ressies. dont mind tex having one more in the magoos

Carrots not too sure. Kind of like the Ashwell Prince thing for South Africa....unlucky if you're injured and the guys who replaces you dominates. needs to earn his spot back. there are guys with better disposal in the side but not better calves.

JR with all his media committments is a key member of our side. shouldnt get dropped. if he does itll be for texas. but i really doubt it.



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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
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Richmond deliberately played through Johnson last night knowing he is suspect defensively, however you still try to find a matchup for Johnson. Even play him on the wing.


The focus is on Johnson, why isn't the focus on the coaches for the matchup? Morton is the Tiges hot forward and one of their best kicks for goal. With Richo playing up the ground, his end of season 2008 form showed Morton to be their number 1 forward in the 50m arc ahead of Brown, Schulz and Riewoldt (who cant kick).

Given that CJ is there to be 3rd/4th defender why wasn't Jamo, Thornton or Bower given the job?

IMO, the lapse here wasn't CJs fault ... but hindsight's 20:20 and the coaches had a blinder of a game everywhere else.

Dropping CJ? No way Jose. They're a bigger, stonger, more physical team the Lions ... might be time to drop a Houla and Scotland for a Grigg and an Army just to give us some more hardness. What luxury!! :grin:

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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:29 am 
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Effes wrote:
Richmond deliberately played through Johnson last night knowing he is suspect defensively, however you still try to find a matchup for Johnson. Even play him on the wing.


The focus is on Johnson, why isn't the focus on the coaches for the matchup? Morton is the Tiges hot forward and one of their best kicks for goal. With Richo playing up the ground, his end of season 2008 form showed Morton to be their number 1 forward in the 50m arc ahead of Brown, Schulz and Riewoldt (who cant kick).

Given that CJ is there to be 3rd/4th defender why wasn't Jamo, Thornton or Bower given the job?

IMO, the lapse here wasn't CJs fault ... but hindsight's 20:20 and the coaches had a blinder of a game everywhere else.

Dropping CJ? No way Jose. They're a bigger, stonger, more physical team the Lions ... might be time to drop a Houla and Scotland for a Grigg and an Army just to give us some more hardness. What luxury!! :grin:



Spot on don!! The match up was poor, if you were at the game you could see just how dominated Johnson was by Morton in the aerial department. So much so Johnson was taken off early in the game but perhaps Ratts just wanted to give him advice as he was soon back by Morton's side. Whilst it may not have been a good match up, it was good for Ratts to show some confidence in Johnson and the lesson will do wonders for the boy and he'll improve from the run so to speak. Let's not forget Johnson is still a developing player and at just 40 odd games, has a huge upside and plenty of class to boot!!

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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:30 pm 
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wouldnt drop garlett.

out: joseph, wiggins, russell, johnson
in: stevo, grigg, walker, carrazzo

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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
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out: wiggins,


That should just about constitute a banning from the site...

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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:59 pm 
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Wiggo was almost BOG last night and would have been if he'd kicked straight. The boys on Ch10 were commenting on his improvement over the past couple of years. Only Wallsy was a bit critical of his kicking, which last night wasn't up to his usual standard.
Houla had 30 odd possies, gave two silver-plated passes for goals and was in our top tackle stats getters for the night. Fev and Judd rate him as the best pass in the team. He ain't going anywhere just yet.
I think people are just bringing their 2008 conceptions to the 2009 forum.
If we have to drop someone for Walker (and we don't necesarily have to), it will most likely be Garlett, whose body will need a break and whom we need to nurture through this first couple of years and a half-back/mid for Grigg if he is ready.
Otherwise we can go in with an unchanged team. It has been done before.

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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:15 pm 
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Unless someone has an absolutel blinder in the twos, then I doubt we'll be dropping anyone. Especially after such a convincing win where everyone contributed.

I see Johnsons name is being thrown up, but I reckon Ratts will give him every opportunity to prove himself. I thought he played extremely well in the pre season, so to drop him after one game would be a complete 180.

No changes for mine.

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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
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wouldnt drop garlett.

out: joseph, wiggins, russell, johnson
in: stevo, grigg, walker, carrazzo

Steven Browne and not Nick Stevens for this week? :yikes: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
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we just won by 83 points and you want to drop 4 players ?

:eek: :yikes:

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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:29 pm 
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No changes, we are a different club now. Players in winning sides get chances to continually prove themselves.

Players not in the 22 need to keep pressing their claims for a spot. Will only make us better.

For me guys like Grigg, Stevens, Walker, Carrazzo etc. should play in the 2's and show very good form until a spot is available through injury or really poor form.

Everyone did their job last Thursday so for me No changes.


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 Post subject: Re: So who do we drop?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:46 pm 
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Stevens is an automatic in IMO..

Walker may take a game or 2 then should come back into the team you would think.. I'd say he may be used in a forward role this year, i'd be looking at that, with Fev as the FF and Betts, Robbo and Garlett/Yarran as the other forwards...

Grigg, Carrots and Fish will all be competing for a spot... Out of those 3 though I am a big Grigg fan!

Geez we have some quality depth at our disposal now!

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