Just ask a few of us older ones around here what sort of class Justin Madden was in Seasons 1983 and 1984.

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i remember the crowd laughing at him when he wore the helmet

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Madden was basically used as a permanent forward pocket in 1983 & 1984 - he kicked his share of goals. I think you'll find he booted five on debut for the Blues in 1983 v Sydney at the SCG. He kicked 39 goals in 1984 but the ruckwork was basically done by Fitzpatrick in 1983 then Wow Jones did the bulk in 1984.
Even in 1985 Madden was overlooked early in the season with Jones preferred in Rounds 1-3. Had he played all 22 H&A games he probably would've won the Brownlow Medal instead of that selfish self-centred Brad Hardie.
You'll find there were periods later in his career that Madden suffered form slumps and even right up till 1992 he was playing the odd game in the twos.
What I have seen of Warnock is very positive. I have no doubt he will leave his mark on this footy club over the next decade - a decade that will reap this club a lot of satisfaction and reward.

True, I remember Andrew Cavedon was played as 1st ruck ahead of Harry in the early 90s...

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Whilst we dont have the ruckman of the class of Mike Fitzpatrick and Wow Jones (and for those who want to laugh - just watch the 1982 Grand Final and the demolition job he did on Mark Lee) - Fitzpatrick and Jones did the bulk of the ruck work in 83 and 84 which allowed Madden to develop into the role of Ruckman which he did with aplomb (nearly winning the Brownlow Medal in 1985 - give it back please Brad Hardie ).

I'm not saying that Warnock will be that good - what I am saying is that we should allow Warnock at least 2 seasons to develop into the role (as we allowed Madden - although I can tell you at the time people were calling for his head).

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Bloody hell...

pessimist

Here's hope for us all.....

Bit sus on Ratts comments......"It's a little bit suck it and see, but I daresay he should be right to play in round one," Ratten said on Tuesday.

Has Ratts and the medical staff found a new way to cure foot injuries ????

LOL

here's the link from the Club .

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/season2008/ ... wsid=71964

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I just hope they are not rushing him back. Im sure they will make the right decision.... well hope they do

I'm sure there won't be any reckless chances taken on players with injury doubts.
The investment the club has made with Robbie Warnock demands patience in both development and fitness.
Keep the faith People!!

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Great news from the coach who should be pretty well informed as to where 206 is at!

If he has no further setbacks he will play early in the season (where is the emoticon for fingers crossed?).

Personally I hope that they ease him in rather than try and get him match fit prior to the season proper, maybe just let Hammer/Jacobs share the duties in NAB and then play 206 for a 10 mins a 1/4 when the season starts (or there abouts).

Given that stress fractures are notorious for slow healing and can quickly flare up again if not completely repaired, half way through the season would still be a good return from Warnock and still gives us plenty of time to squeeze into the 8.

Fair dinkum, Warnock really isnt that good... im really not too concerned at all. Gives us a chance to see Hammer and Kruzer... and maybe we might see Jacobs get a run.

If Jamo or Waite goes down then ill be concerned, we dont have that much depth in our backline... but for the ruck im not concerned

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Your assessment seems to directly contradict the view of the club regarding player requirements.

Ratts stated clearly that we needed to bolster the ruck because we got smashed last season, and we then went out and traded an early second rounder for Warnock.

The club then passed up on Hurley, a defensive KPP for a skilled HFF to assist our goal scoring potential.

Go over some of the comments made about Warnock by those in the know in the club (Icke, Ratts etc) and you will see how highly he is regarded.......but then what would they know

Damn....no-one got my jike about " we'll have to suck it and see " about Warnocks foot...

Im dissapointed ...

And Im pissed off that my subject thread has been merged as well....cant the little man have their own say on here anymore...

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The club then passed up on Hurley, a defensive KPP for a skilled HFF to assist our goal scoring potential.

Not quite right. Essendon* took him before we had a chance. Speculating about whether we would have taken him if available is an inexact science. Only recruiters could 100% confirm that.

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In fact, I'm pretty sure I heard Hughes say that we probably would've gone for Hurley if available. Don't quote me on that though.

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#GUILTY

I'm pretty sure I read we were always going for Yarran.

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Lily of Laguna, in defence of Hollywood43 he's just trying to forecast on the future value of Kreuzer and Hammer. Last year one of them was in their first year and the other in their second.

They WILL be better this year and in following years.

If you believe the hype coming from the coaches in regards to Warnock then i'm rapt that we don't really have to think about the ruck division for another 8-10 years. Makes a big difference from the thinking of the last 10 years

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

We had Natanui at 1, Yarran at 2.
Hurley was never going to be picked before those guys.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Oh, maybe i got H43 wrong, Im also glad that we have Kruze/Hammer and see plenty of good times ahead with these two.

As for the Hurley/Yarran situation I didnt word it very well but I was going off Hughes comments about us having yarran at 2 overall. I think the guy they had 1 was Hill but maybe it was Natinui. In any case Hurley was gone but I think the selectors couldnt believe the way draft turned out and even still they were willing to miss alot of guys for Warnock, which is the point I was trying to make.