no you haven't seen it, you have seen a replay of it. It was never a kick, but with our culture of 'no kicking' it was always going to be a case of 'Kicking' with all the inherent indignant screaming associated with it. The act was a glimpse into just how much Carlos had lost it, it was ugly for that reason not because it was a 'kick' - and it was never 'a kick up the arse'. Without that last action I think I'd have been rather happy to see the big fella finally throw some weight around.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

WTF, sky news in UK is carrying the story, just showed the clip covering punch and kick. The presenter going on to say this is serious stuff. Talk about media hysteria ! These guys have obviously never been to an ice hockey game

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It's amazing how all of a sudden we're all experts on human anatomy. "The was .7 of a inch too far to the right to be his arse, and his ankle didn't meet the required angle nor did he use the required bone to make contact, storm in a teacup". His teammate was down, his arse was showing, he kicked (yes, KICKED) him there. Whether he connected with his sphincter or not, and whether he teed off like he was going for a rugby conversion or not, it was a kick. There's more than one type of kick in the world. But either way you're right, it was the act itself that has everyone pissed off, and those that are saying that it wasn't too bad because *insert excuse here* are missing the point entirely.

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+1

I also think that its a low act to swing punches against a man on his knees and therefore unable to defend himself.

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This is what you get for crosstraining with the Storm...

I don't think SETANT RANTS WHILE FANTA PANTS DANCE was given the credit it really should. There is a lot of conjecture about what constitutes what and who constipates who, but really- SETANT RANTS WHILE FANTA PANTS DANCE- is the only victim here.

Good signs.

oh so know there are all sorts of kicks to the arse, so should we have a rating system as to how hard a kick? How accurate a kick? etc.

No, lets just use the generalized 'he kicked him in the arse' to cover all the variances.

Its this incisive logic that leads to the law beings taken away from discussions about how hard/ intention/whys and wherefores etc, into, he kicked him, its assault, 3 years! usually by people who, of course, have only seen a replay, read a paper or heard it from a mate.

It is this brilliant insightful thinking that led to Linda Chamberlain being found guilty for know other reason than people wanted it so. There are degrees. In terms of degrees Carlos was disrespectful to Cloke and unfortunately gave a whole horde of 'holier than thous' a perfect excuse to howl for blood.

As soon as I saw the act I knew Carlos would be in trouble, not because of the act, but because of reactions to it, after we australians are all so damn manly and fine, we do everything right - and love nothing better than to pooint the finger and everyone who doesn;t live up to our lofty ideals of manliness, sportsmanship and ability to interpret replays.

Carlos may well be gone, if so I hope it is not for that 'terrifying kick up the arse that has maimed clokey for life and ruined the minds of countless innocent australian children and the bonding of our most fragile team'.

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QFT

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Danny, what in God's name are you going on about!?! WTF does this have to do with Lindy Chamberlain!?!

@#$%&! me, I can't wait for this thing to get sorted out. The level of bullshit that's coming out of people's mouths exponentially grows with each passing minute and I've had enough.

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It was reported in the press yesterday that kicking, in Irish culture, is considered to be a lesser offence than punching.

Those of Irish backgrounds may well argue that the kick meant nothing.

Well he covered both basis just to be sure

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McChins touched on this in his column today. He said half the trouble in the Int'l Rules was that we'd punch the Irish, they'd be incensed and kick us, then we'd be incensed and punch them again.

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Jimmy Buckley knocked out Mark Majerzak after being challenged in the boxing ring. None of this stuff is as novel as it appears. Setanta is at the cross roads but shouldn't be shown the door.

last I checked princes park isn't a boxing ring

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Apart from the fact that there was much bigger, important and tragic news going on this weekend - I couldnt help but notice the bogans, ferals etc who found the time to phone in to the talkback sports shows, text/message the sporting websites etc etc and find someway to drawing the longest bow imaginable about how this incident somehow makes Carlton a team of cheats , makes us a rabble , makes us losers , or somehow connects us to the past 6 years of shite that has happened to us.

And somehow these ferals and bogans deriving some joy in the glee of their voices and the sarcastic tone of their messages and gladness in their hearts because their was some message of bad news surrounding the Carlton Football Club - after the past 12 months of good news.

All I can say to most of you all enjoy this fleeting blip of bad news - because there is nothing that will stop this Karma Train which is going to ride roughshod through the house of cards you call opposing football teams.

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the fact you don't is really the point.

I also can't wait for it to be sorted and wish people who had seen nothing would shut up and let it get sorted out. But no, wait, here is a chance to take the high ground.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

The fact I don't what? I see your point, you think that because a person wasn't THERE that they can't have an opinion, despite the fact that what people are judging it on gives a pretty clear view of what happened (not to mention people who WERE there who feel the same way). I just couldn't disagree more with your logic (and generalizing). People have every right to have an opinion based on what's out there, even IF it goes against your own. You act as though there's a group of nannies here screaming "Won't somebody please think of the children!", but reality paints a different picture. People saw it, people didn't like it, people demand consequences. Simple.

I'll support whatever decision is made, as the club knows best. But Ratts, Swanny and co certainly didn't seem to think there "wasn't much in it". EIther way, are we in some way hindering the process of decision-making at VISY Park by voicing our opinions? Will people (only the ones who think he should go, I'm guessing?) shutting up on TC speed the process up anymore? If the CFC needs clear thinking from the folks of TC before they can make a decision on anything, than we're a worse rabble than those ferals who ring SEN say we are. I just want this shit to end and we can get back to agreeing on things.

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so what did you make of the reactions at the time of eddie betts, shaun grigg, brendan fevola, nick stevens, kade simpson and brett thorton?

are they all 'holier than thou'.

if the playing group has lost respect for santy then surely he has to go
if they can forgive him and welcome him back in, then great. good on em.

i for one think we should make a statement that , that sort of shit wont be tolerated and cut our lossed with him for his display of utter contempt and disrespect for a team mate.

So which one of the pair was the low one?

They were both on their knees having a go at each other.

Kind of a level playing field, wouldn't you say?

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