That is THE factor, he needs to have enough tactics to get the team playing competitively as much as possible.

Signing him now without an opt-out clause seems hasty.

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We sound like we're gun-shy as supporters based on what's happened to us in the past with Pagan.

Must put the contract extension in perspective.

Answer these:
Do we have a different administration to that of 4 years ago?
Is our playing list better now than it was 4 years ago?
Would you trust this administration over the one we had 4 years ago?
Do we have more resources in the football department now than we did 4 years ago?

All these answers you'll find favour the coach of the day, in this case Ratten. Yes, he's been at the helm only for one full season with much better players at his disposal and younger with a lot more upside.

I don't think you could just sack a coach after a two year term, particularly in our case where we'd selected a young coach. Needs at least 3 to 4 years to see whether he can cut it. Clarkson is the classic case, even Bomber Thompson to an extent.

I think you need to give a little to get, and as stated in the article, it suggests that there are many incentives built into the contract, so I'd suggest Ratten wouldn't be getting paid anywhere near what Pagan was.

There's no doubt by end of 2010, Ratten's true performance as coach could be judged where he has had enough time to develop and coach. And by that stage, IF he wasn't performing, then paying out the final year of his contract wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as it was for Pagan.

I'm comfortable with the decision to extend.

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I doubt the sums are huge for the contract so it is all a bit of a dead argument.

If we finish next year outside the eight with no discernable excuses, i.e. injuries etc. then contract or not Ratten will be feeling the pressure just like any other coach would with our list in 2009.

The expectation next season are for finals football.

They need to be met.

This is Carlton, when you have a good list finals are expected.

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If we make the eight next year, I'd expect Ratten to be coaching us well beyond 2011.

Zachary.


You dont happen to have a graph handy to illustrate the point do you.

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Good we resigned him.

I think one of the major reason we had such a long long run at the bottom was the quick fix scheme Pagan tried to adopt so that he can keep his job. Obviously this failed and only after that did he realise maybe development is the way to go. Showing faith in Ratts now tells him we are willing to be patient. We are willing to see your plan play out to the finish.

Obviously we want to make the finals this year and Ratts has come out and said so...but say we don't...it atleast tells him not to go rushing making stupid decisions just to keep his job, and continue with the development he has set out.

I like this decision by the club...Congrats Ratts

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That's right.

Unless the coach is an ubsolute disaster you give him 2, 3 or maybe 4 years to make a difference. The coach is part of the team too and he needs to grow with the rest of them.

We are just being reactionary, we are hesitant this time around because of what happened with Pagan. it is nothing like it IMO, Ratten is well liked and spoken of very highly and our administration is a fairly competant bunch.

I like the decision anyway....

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I agree, and think it's a great way too move forward. Have heard many footballing greats over here on radio saying Ratts will be one of the best coaches in the AFL, due his passion and knowledge of the game.

Well done Ratts and give them hell.....

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Firstly, how do you define the "right direction"? If you have passion and love for the club as one small factor, then Ratten is miles ahead of anyone else available now or in the short-term future. Ratten gives the players genuine belief. Not just on game day, but belief in the Carlton Football Club. Who else pre or post Pagan could have done that better than Ratten?

Sure, there's more to coaching than passion, we all know that. Trouble is, no matter how much due diligence (or not) a club puts into signing a coach, the proof is in the eating. A coach needs time to prove himself.

Premierships, as a rule, are won by clubs with stability. Stability at board level, and stability at coaching level. The board has simply ensured there's 2 more years of stability at coaching level.

Only thing is, without the benefit of hindsight, nobody knows right now if it was dumb decision or a masterstroke. I can kind of understand the gun-shy attitude many have, but in two or three years time we could just as easily be saying how great it was watching Ratten and Judd holding that cup aloft on the last Saturday in September.

If/when that happens, I spose we'll all remember what clever chums our board were for showing such foresight.

Whatever.

GO BLUES!!!

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Wallace did that in the 4th year of his 5 year contract. How the hell can you compare Wallace to Ratten?

yeah well.... its not like we havent gone up this road before....

Ratts may have had some excuses last season but this year he has none..

So thats when he should have been judged...

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From now I'll define the 'right direction' as more wins than losses.

2 scenarios come the split round break...

a) we're 2 wins/9 losses.. we're still too fevcentric with a disfunctional game plan and Ratten is still unsigned, what would you be thinking?

b) we're 8 wins/3 losses.. we have a multi-pronged attack with a spread of goalkickers with a number of unheralded young players taking the next step and Ratten still unsigned, what would you be thinking?

Are both scenarios a chance of being reality?
If the answer is yes, he's been re-signed prematurely.

No harm in waiting a little longer, IMO, to digest some more before making a decision.

Did they go early to avoid potential media heat? If so, that's a bit weak.

Anyone who thinks coaches are judged on tactics or short term improvement are kidding themselves.
Talk to the current coaches and their mentors (Parkin, Alves, Connolly and co.) and they'll tell you good coaching is about quality preparation, not tricks.

The good coaches teach their players to be good decision makers. To think their way through situations whilst under enormous pressure and to react in a manner that will be predictable to their team mates and beneficial to the team. No one does it well all the time but the better teams make the right decision more than most.
That process is developed by implementation of game sense drills at training and coaches with the ability to communicate with the players without overloading them with useless bullshit.

From what I've witnessed, the players are learning more in one week of training at the moment than they did under a years training from Pagan.
The drills are game specific and give the players every opportunity to instinctively play a style of game that will lead to success.
What happens on game day reflects their long term preparation. Tactics make up 5% of wins and losses.
Games are decided by long term strategies and smart players. That's what Ratts is building. Give him time.

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What if we're 8 wins/3 losses at the break and Fev has already kicked 55 goals, with the next best, Brad Fisher on just 11?

What have we done then? Gone too early, or made the right choice?

The ability to cater for being too Fevcentric has already started. The recruitment of Mr 206cm will allow Kreuzer to spend more time out of the ruck and in the forwardline. The recruitment of Yarran has given our forward line a breath of fresh air.

Well, at least, that's theory. We just need tuition, practice and time to let the theory develop. I dare say R11 2009 will be too early to tell.

I know it's warm and fuzzy stuff, but I don't think we can, or should, underestimate the passion Ratten has for the club. With passion like that starting at the top (throw in Sticks for good measure), the players can only be affected in a positive way. Ratten's alumni will bleed navy blue. That can only bring us closer to #17.

Oh, budzy, I'm not sure we can categorically say one way or the other that Ratten has been signed too early. But, it's a moot point as the decision has been made. If it turns out the wrong decision was made, I'm guessing we won't be waiting until the end of 2011 for confirmation.

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Probably means that Chris Yarran has had a minor pre-season injury/mishap and is set to make his debut in Round 12.

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i have us winning 11 games in 09

A decision made now or a decision made mid next year ..either way it's still a judgement of whether they think Ratts is the man or not.
The only difference is that mid next year they would've had a bit more knowledge to base their judgement on..

As you say, it's done and dusted now. Let's just hope we're 8-3

That's 11 more than I thought you'd have us on...



Perfect example - Mark Thompson.

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