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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:55 pm 
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Yeah, yeah, Sheehan isn't everyone's favourite, but I thought some people might be interested in this.

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The Blues have shown huge promise and will be in my predicted final eight next year.

Much of the improvement was anticipated on the arrival of Chris Judd and the return from injury of Nick Stevens.

Yet, it’s been even better than expected. Marc Murphy, Bruce Gibbs and Matthew Kreuzer are going to be elite players, while Michael Jamison is a top prospect in defence.

The talented Andrew Walker plus Shaun Grigg and Paul Bower enhance the mix.

The one thing Carlton has over Richmond is youth. Heath Scotland and Nick Stevens are the eldest of Saturday night’s 22 at 28.

The Blues won three of four interstate, and have finished powerfully almost every week, including a 38-point turnaround in Brisbane on Saturday night.

Throw, say, Robbie Warnock into the mix, and it’s an exciting picture.


Link to the rest of the article here: http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/mikesheahan/index.php/heraldsun/comments/tigers_best_of_the_rest


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Good to see he has done his homework. Richmond have a handful of aging players, whereas Stevo and Scotto are our oldest and could well have 3-5 years left in them. The club have done well to manage the age of the list by phasing out the oldies.


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If Bruce Gibbs can team with his brother Bryce, we might get some Krakouer like action going.

Makes me drool.

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Wild Blue Yonder wrote:
If Bruce Gibbs can team with his brother Bryce, we might get some Krakouer like action going.

Makes me drool.

If McAvaney thinks Bryce is speeeecial, he hasn't seen his name sake play

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Good to see he has done his homework. Richmond have a handful of aging players, whereas Stevo and Scotto are our oldest and could well have 3-5 years left in them. The club have done well to manage the age of the list by phasing out the oldies.


Yeah that was clever how we traded away our picks and drafted poorly 10 years ago so that now we'd have no one on the list over 28 now.

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Richmond are OK. I reckon they are in a pretty good position really.

Its St Kilda Adelaide and Melbourne who dont have much young talent. Although Adelaide always seems to find a way

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buzzaaaah wrote:
Richmond are OK. I reckon they are in a pretty good position really.

Its St Kilda Adelaide and Melbourne who dont have much young talent. Although Adelaide always seems to find a way

i can't agree with you on adelaide. Players like vince, van berlo, Griffin, dangerfield and knights are all 22 and younger.

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Habib wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
Richmond are OK. I reckon they are in a pretty good position really.

Its St Kilda Adelaide and Melbourne who dont have much young talent. Although Adelaide always seems to find a way

i can't agree with you on adelaide. Players like vince, van berlo, Griffin, dangerfield and knights are all 22 and younger.


But their best players in Goodwin, McLeod, Edwards, Burton, Johncock and thompson are getting quite old.


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Sheahan contradicts himself (as usual) several times in that article.

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HELLAS BLUE wrote:
Habib wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
Richmond are OK. I reckon they are in a pretty good position really.

Its St Kilda Adelaide and Melbourne who dont have much young talent. Although Adelaide always seems to find a way

i can't agree with you on adelaide. Players like vince, van berlo, Griffin, dangerfield and knights are all 22 and younger.


But their best players in Goodwin, McLeod, Edwards, Burton, Johncock and thompson are getting quite old.

yeh, but i wouldn't say they don't have much in terms of young talent

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Wow someone in the media actually noticed Jamo for once :shock:


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Wow someone in the media actually noticed Jamo for once :shock:


I think Wallsy got in his ear about him. :-D

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Do not worry about Adelaide... they develop players probably better than anyone, in reality they shouldnt make the finals this year, but they always manage to turn decent SANFL players into decent AFL players... granted they will not win a premiership without some top class talent, but will always be in the mix with the way they have set up...

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If richmond lose and we win this week will he write a new article?

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darknavy wrote:
If richmond lose and we win this week will he write a new article?


:lol: Was thinking that same thing myself actually.


Look, Richmond have done pretty well this year, but I wouldn't be jumping on them just yet like Mike is. They have some good young talent that we already knew of (Deledio, Foley, Thursfield, Moore, Tambling etc.) and the young guys that came from nowhere this year; Riewoldt, Morton, Cotchin, Hughes that have improved their structure out of sight. But it's the old heads that have been there to steady the ship that has got them through for those close wins.

The big difference between us and Richmond this year is that we have played very inconsitant football regardless of who the opposition is, whereas they have generally been consistant, especially by beating the teams they are expected to (with the exception of the Dawks). The other major difference is that they have been completely thrashed by a couple of borderline teams (Sydney and Adelaide) whereas we have only been touched up by top 4 teams in Geelong and North.

I see the major difference between the teams in the future years is that we will have more match-winning stars with the x-factor. Their star with the biggest x-factor is also their oldest in Richo.

I also can't see them filling the holes that their aging players will leave in the next couple of years. We have the benefit of not having any holes to fill for the next 4-5 years, so this playing group will mature together as a unit.

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Mil Hanna wrote:
darknavy wrote:
If richmond lose and we win this week will he write a new article?


:lol: Was thinking that same thing myself actually.


Look, Richmond have done pretty well this year, but I wouldn't be jumping on them just yet like Mike is. They have some good young talent that we already knew of (Deledio, Foley, Thursfield, Moore, Tambling etc.) and the young guys that came from nowhere this year; Riewoldt, Morton, Cotchin, Hughes that have improved their structure out of sight. But it's the old heads that have been there to steady the ship that has got them through for those close wins.

The big difference between us and Richmond this year is that we have played very inconsitant football regardless of who the opposition is, whereas they have generally been consistant, especially by beating the teams they are expected to (with the exception of the Dawks). The other major difference is that they have been completely thrashed by a couple of borderline teams (Sydney and Adelaide) whereas we have only been touched up by top 4 teams in Geelong and North.

I see the major difference between the teams in the future years is that we will have more match-winning stars with the x-factor. Their star with the biggest x-factor is also their oldest in Richo.

I also can't see them filling the holes that their aging players will leave in the next couple of years. We have the benefit of not having any holes to fill for the next 4-5 years, so this playing group will mature together as a unit.


Agree with EVERYTHING in this article excpet for Cotchin "coming out of nowhere" (#2 picks are GENERALLY pretty good, but Cotchin was always going to be a star !!!!!!!) and that We wont have ANY holes due to the loss of old fella's (I think that the loss of Fev will create a pretty big hole in 4 years time .............)


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darknavy wrote:
If richmond lose and we win this week will he write a new article?


I wouldn't worry about Richmond. Whilst they have won more games than us, we have been the better team this year by far.

I qualify this by that fact that

1. Richmonds have relied on the golden oldies, their best players this year have been Richardson, Brown, Bowden, Johnson and Simmonds.

Deledi ando has been the best of the youngsters but I just can't rate a bloke who claimed in article this year that changing his hair style has made him play better footy :roll: :roll: :roll:

2. Terrible game plan. I watched the Tigers v Freo game and that game plan will never get them in the eight. They play a soft uncontested brand of football. Out of 130 marks on Saturday, 5 of them were contested. A CH10 commentator mentioned that they are also the highest kicking backwards team in the competion. Voss then stated that is not a record to be proud of.

3. Good on them for beating the Hawks but who have they relly beaten this year? When they have had the litmus test's for a finals berth ( Adelaide ) or to celebrate 150 years of yellow of bleak ( Carlron ) they have fallen way short. We had the slightest of chances of making the finals against Brisbane and still managed a great win. They were still in the hunt to make the eight and stuggled to beat the Pavlich-less Shockers.

4. Let's compare the backline Mcguane V Bower, Jamsison V Thurstfield, Moore V Thornton, Waite V Bowden, Newman V Scotland. I know which one I'd take.

5. Let's compare the youth

Our Players 20 or Under

Kreuzer, Gibbs, Austin, Browne, Anderson, Bower, Benjamin, Edwards, Grigg and Hampson

V Tigers 20 or under

Cotchin, Rance, Putt, Collins, Reiwoldt, Edwards and Connors

No contest there.

I aslo fing it suprising and alarming the Tigers have only had one new player to debut this year, Cothcin. We've had 5.

I think Sheehan is just trying to paint a rosy picture for the Tigers because for some reason he has fallen in love with the this season. He probably qualifies his article by saying he will have Carlton in his eight next year but then again that is contradicting his article :?


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coryne wrote:
Mil Hanna wrote:
darknavy wrote:
If richmond lose and we win this week will he write a new article?


:lol: Was thinking that same thing myself actually.


Look, Richmond have done pretty well this year, but I wouldn't be jumping on them just yet like Mike is. They have some good young talent that we already knew of (Deledio, Foley, Thursfield, Moore, Tambling etc.) and the young guys that came from nowhere this year; Riewoldt, Morton, Cotchin, Hughes that have improved their structure out of sight. But it's the old heads that have been there to steady the ship that has got them through for those close wins.

The big difference between us and Richmond this year is that we have played very inconsitant football regardless of who the opposition is, whereas they have generally been consistant, especially by beating the teams they are expected to (with the exception of the Dawks). The other major difference is that they have been completely thrashed by a couple of borderline teams (Sydney and Adelaide) whereas we have only been touched up by top 4 teams in Geelong and North.

I see the major difference between the teams in the future years is that we will have more match-winning stars with the x-factor. Their star with the biggest x-factor is also their oldest in Richo.

I also can't see them filling the holes that their aging players will leave in the next couple of years. We have the benefit of not having any holes to fill for the next 4-5 years, so this playing group will mature together as a unit.


Agree with EVERYTHING in this article excpet for Cotchin "coming out of nowhere" (#2 picks are GENERALLY pretty good, but Cotchin was always going to be a star !!!!!!!) and that We wont have ANY holes due to the loss of old fella's (I think that the loss of Fev will create a pretty big hole in 4 years time .............)



Let me clarify something for you. What I meant by "coming out of nowhere" is that most weren't expecting those players to contribute much this year, for varying reasons, and in Cotchin's case that was coming back from a major injury after missing the entire pre-season. Everyone knew he was going to be a handy little player, but did they think he would have as much of an impact after debuting in round 13 or whatever it was?

By the way, why do you think I said that we wouldn't have to fill any holes for 4-5 years?? I believe you have just reiterated my obvious point!! 8)

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Mil Hanna wrote:
coryne wrote:
Mil Hanna wrote:
darknavy wrote:
If richmond lose and we win this week will he write a new article?


:lol: Was thinking that same thing myself actually.


Look, Richmond have done pretty well this year, but I wouldn't be jumping on them just yet like Mike is. They have some good young talent that we already knew of (Deledio, Foley, Thursfield, Moore, Tambling etc.) and the young guys that came from nowhere this year; Riewoldt, Morton, Cotchin, Hughes that have improved their structure out of sight. But it's the old heads that have been there to steady the ship that has got them through for those close wins.

The big difference between us and Richmond this year is that we have played very inconsitant football regardless of who the opposition is, whereas they have generally been consistant, especially by beating the teams they are expected to (with the exception of the Dawks). The other major difference is that they have been completely thrashed by a couple of borderline teams (Sydney and Adelaide) whereas we have only been touched up by top 4 teams in Geelong and North.

I see the major difference between the teams in the future years is that we will have more match-winning stars with the x-factor. Their star with the biggest x-factor is also their oldest in Richo.

I also can't see them filling the holes that their aging players will leave in the next couple of years. We have the benefit of not having any holes to fill for the next 4-5 years, so this playing group will mature together as a unit.


Agree with EVERYTHING in this article excpet for Cotchin "coming out of nowhere" (#2 picks are GENERALLY pretty good, but Cotchin was always going to be a star !!!!!!!) and that We wont have ANY holes due to the loss of old fella's (I think that the loss of Fev will create a pretty big hole in 4 years time .............)



Let me clarify something for you. What I meant by "coming out of nowhere" is that most weren't expecting those players to contribute much this year, for varying reasons, and in Cotchin's case that was coming back from a major injury after missing the entire pre-season. Everyone knew he was going to be a handy little player, but did they think he would have as much of an impact after debuting in round 13 or whatever it was?

By the way, why do you think I said that we wouldn't have to fill any holes for 4-5 years?? I believe you have just reiterated my obvious point!! 8)



Yeah probably ........... lol


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