Does anyone seriously think that Hawthorn won't put at the very least 2 defenders on him. Probably three? Is exactly what we wil do with Buddy if he doesn't have 100 by the time they play us.

I hope I'm wrong but I would put money on him not getting a ton.

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I think he works pretty hard on the field until he cracks it. After that, its pretty hard to get motivated enough to push through the fatigue... We've got to remember that Fev's explosiveness is his main weapon. He sprints to every contest, then wrestles and vice versa. You can't expect two/three efforts every one of those 19 times they go to him in a game.

He bares the frustrations of a bloke who gives his all and had been getting used to winning every contest.... and doesn't take getting beat too kindly. He just needs to be put in his place by his peers.

If he was a rookie at Brisbane, they'd bash him for sulking.... Good thing Diesel's down there.

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I'm actually starting to hope he doesn't get it. Sunday's brain explosion just before half-time was yet another example of why I worry that we're unlikely to win a flag with Fev in the side.

Fev plays for Fev. I love the way he plays when he's "on"; he's supremely talented but unfortunately too often Fev puts Fev before Carlton.

He kicks 100 and how big is his dick then? Those suggesting that it might relieve the pressure on Fev are basing this on what? Every time it looks like Fev might be getting his act together he goes and has another on-field melt-down and shifts the side's momentum. I couldn't care less about the off-field stuff. It's the on-field petulance and its effect on the side that shits me.

Nobody's kicked 100 in a premiership side since Dunstall and his level of discipline and team play was way above anything Fev's ever going to serve up. The other thing about Dunstall was how capable he was playing with other forwards like Brereton, Jarman and Buckenara. I can't believe Dunstall would ever have had a crack at Kreuzer for going for the ball.

Premiership sides these days (and in the past if you look at our own club) have usually been based on multiple avenues to goal. Can Fev play as one of many in the forward line or will he always have to be numero uno who does a nana every time someone else looks like they might be about to get a little of the limelight?

I'd take 3 goals and 3 goal assists a week from Fev any day over a bag of 6 from Fev alone. When that happens we'll have a functioning forward line that can win a flag. If footy supporters really had a clue they'd award a medal for goal assists rather than the Coleman. Isn't it meant to be a team game? Fev currently has 8 goal assists for the entire season.

I used to laugh at sides like the Saints explain away their miserable seasons by hanging onto the fact that Plugger had kicked a ton and/or won the Coleman. I really hope we're not going to become that side.

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Hey, over the last 2 months you're talking Wiggo territory!

Didn't Monga in 2000?



Definitely.

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Yeah - you're right. I was looking at a table that only included H&A games. He kicked 109 that year but only 94 in the H&A.

Doesn't change anything for me though.

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double post

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Is the final goals scored/recorded the ones kicked in the H&A?

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

Can't aggree with this post.

Fev plays for Carlton. Plain and simple. Hell......... he could have kicked 7 on the weekend but he stupidly thought that Carrazzo was in a better position.............. which he clearly wasn't........... but that at least shows that he's doing the team thing.
When a player hit a milestone, Fevola is the first person to grab the match-day ball and hand it to them to say congratulations. He did it with Judd & Waite this year! That's a team effort and not at all signs of somebody playing for himself!

Also, look what he did for Simon Wiggens wife..........

On the goal assists issue............ Fev's job is to kick goals, and he is doing an awesome job at that. 90 goals for a guy that is consistantly double-teamed and triple-teamed is an awesome result and i dare say that he is gonna finish Top 3 in the B&F.

On the brain-fade issue................ This is Fevola....... you have to take the good with the bad, it's a package that obviously cannot be seperated.

At the end of the day, he is a Carlton forward who in 20 games has kicked 90 goals at an avg of 4.5 per game and is just 4 goals behind easilly one of the most dominant players on season 2008........... i for one will be gunning for him to kick his Ton!

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So he gives Judd a match ball. Nice sentiment but maybe that's part of the problem It's a sentiment that's about individual achievement. That's part of my point.

I like Fev and I don't dispute his talent at all. He's one of the most incredibly gifted footballers I've seen play the game and the best set shot from distance I can remember. I don't dispute that he's probably a lovely bloke either.

But that's not releveant to the way our forward line's going to work over the next 3 - 5 years.

My concern is that his attitude is incompatible with us winning a flag.

I'm not suggesting we've got much choice in what happens now either. The club's stuck with Brendan and we'll just have to try to make it work somehow. Doesn't mean it's not a worry.

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So is your problem with Fevola or the way we structure our forward line? Becuase i was responding to a comment that you made on Fev "playing for himself!"

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http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-read_artic ... ticleId=77

Last weekend Fev went to third place on Carlton goal-kicking performances ever, which is a huge achievement in itself. Whether or not he gets the 100 he's still kicked a massive bag.

From the Blueseum

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Both really. I don't see us having a sustainable structure with Fev as the centrepiece. He's just too undisciplined and I struggle to see him playing a role in a premiership winning side. I'm not convinced he can play from a team oriented perspective.

He's a great talent but there are plenty of those who don't win flags. Just ask Ablett senior.

I'm not saying Brendan consciously sets out to do things that damage team morale or that he intentionally places personal goals higher than team ones. The problem is that his attitude's so inconsistent that it's difficult to see him having the on-field discipline that's needed to win a premiership.

How's he going to manage when the stakes are 100 times higher in a GF and an umpire makes a questionable call? He'll have the entire football world watching and there's a very good chance that he'll melt down. It's game over at that point.

I hope I'm wrong and he wins a flag one day (for us) but who were the last team to win a flag with a key forward whose on-field discipline was as bad as Fev's?

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Sure............ but as it stands............... Fevola and his game is the main reason as to why we are so close to playing in the finals (even though we will most likely miss out)

Granted, he chucks a spack-attack every now and then........... but more often than not, he wins games of football for us.

Hell.............. if he was traded or injured, who'd be kicking our goals?

Fisher?
Rusell?
Betts?

Or do we bring in Edwards who sadly doesn't look up to it?

Or Hartlett, who is our great white hope but is looking more and more like wishfull thinking.

Or do we trade him and buy in another power-house forward who's capable of kicking 90+ goals a year............... cause there is a shortage of them at the moment.

What we CAN do, to hopefully calm down Fevola's antics is perhaps create other avenues towards goals............. god know's i'd be frustrated too when i'm double/triple teamed, not to mention the face that i'm often expeced to mark the football below my knees or 3 foot above my head.

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I reckon Kreuzer's more likely to be a key forward than a ruckman long term and he's the sort of player we might be able to build a forward line around.

Hopefully Fev will be willing to share "his" space.

I'm not suggesting we've got a whole lot of options at the moment and I hope long term he can get it together enough and focus on what's best for the team but if he keeps up the attitude and the crap of Sunday's second quarter I reckon we're screwed.

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So ryan, to emphasise GWS's point, can you name any player as undisciplined as Fev who has played in a winning GF?

And watch the 1st 10 mins of Q3 vs Kangas if you want to see our top midfielders ignoring good options to kick to an outnumbered Fev.

Hall, Davis..?..

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Hmmm....

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Not even close.

..true, Fev has yet to turn around and kinghit his opponent..

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