The light's come on Sailor Man.

So what your saying is that last year, when the club publicly said that Pick 20 wasn't on the table, they were lying.

Therefore it stands to reason that Ratts saying no picks for players, he is actually lying.

God, you crack me up sometimes.

You have some good points to make generally but when you cobble them up with BS, that's when lose people to your argument.

By the by, you'd make a shocking shepherd.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

hmm ... how many times was the ball kicked to Fisher inside 50? 2.

How man times to Russell? 2

How many times to Fev? 16.

According to Ratts at his presser, which he clearly was not happy about.

Ratts clearly has a difficult job trying to get the boys to look for guys other than Fev. This is one factor which does not help guys like Fisher and Russell.

If I was streaming through the centre and saw Fisher, JR and Fev leading for me, I reckon I'd know where I'd kick it too.

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A big call....but I stand by it.

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Ratts clearly has a difficult job trying to get the boys to look for guys other than Fev. This is one factor which does not help guys like Fisher and Russell.

Along with the fact that both are shite set shots

I'd still kick it to Fev if he was surrounded by the entire cast of the Beijing opening ceremony.

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What about if Josh was standing next to him?

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/h ... tml?page=2

Interesting article by Wallsy.

Don't know if this has already been posted & apologise if so, but I believe it has reference in this thread, especially when talking about the "loose man" issue in defence. Have a look at the 2nd page. Waitey is 2nd in the league behind Harley.

As I've stated before, JW is our "Harley" if you will. The problem is, we currently don't have the additional cattle that Geelong have (experience wise) to allow JW to play the role entirely, without having to revert back to "normal" defence when things go wrong.

Oh & my 2 cents on the Fev issue as mentioned above, one of the reasons alot of entries go to Fev, is because he IS a very, very good forward who, as Ratts has said before, knows how to present himself & does it so well, it is very difficult for players to ignore him. When the other fwds around him get better, or we get better fwds, the amount of times we go to Fev will lessen.

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"You will always miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- Michael Jordan

If you had your way, Fev would be playing for Collingwood and Bentick and Blackwell would be our targets

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"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

People wonder why Russell has some 'moments' but then goes missing.

Here is a possible answer.

One of his roles is to chase the buggers who have the ball, pressure them - watch, you'll see JR chase 1 bloke, the next and the next...I have seen him go on after 5 players, applying pressure because he does chase hard. Considering some of our personnel we need a few hard chasers. Tex used to play this role and it shitted me, but he is now an offensive weapon. Can JR develop into that? - don't know, but at the moment he is playing his part in the team. When they have the ball he chases - consequently when they are on top he is usually out of position because his role is to apply pressure to the ball carrier (incidentally Eddie suffers from this too, it takes him way out of his dangerous zone) - he must do this because we have a few who do not.

When we get on top then he no longer needs to chase, now he can lead, can be in dangerous positions, now he gives us something going forward. It is no coincidence that when we are on top JR is 'suddenly' playing well.

This is not an ideal situation and, I believe, not a long term plan. But it is a current plan given our position, personnel and lack of experience. We lack a few who chase hard when we do not have the ball (and some like Browne who are kids and have not the miles to chase hard for long) and so some of our runners must carry a far bigger load.
JR is one of them and it is a reason why he, not Blackers, not AB, not Pfieff, is in the side. He can perform this role, they cannot.

As our balance improves JR will be under greater pressure to get more of the ball and be more damaging with it - that will be his next test but it is not his test at the moment and so it is unfair/unrealistic to judge him on it.

He remains in the team because he performs a necessary role - you may not agree with the role, but to want him dropped because he performs it?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

In defence of the players,.............. there is a damn good reason for the above!

Fisher Can't kick and Russell can't kick, handball or mark!

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"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit"
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Matthew Knights had trouble with one of those blokes and he beats Ratten every time as well.

So let me get this right, you only care to post about Carlton when we lose?

Man I have met alot of downhill supporters who only show up when their team is playing well, but jeez I can't say I have met any that go the other way around like you

Are you still pissed that Carlton overlooked you for the head coach job?

Yep and Ratts has Malthouse's and Eades number so what's your point.

Regards Cazzesman

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Gee, does he. He I was thinking Ess beat us, as in the players. Why is it every time we lose, Ratts was beaten in the coaching box?

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It's a good question Tianacon!

And with the exception of a few players (Russell and Stevens), every time we lose it isn't because they played badly... it was because we were outcoached.

The Adelaide game is a shining example. I like Murph... but he had an absolute stinker! He couldn't get the ball, he couldn't control the ball, he couldn't pass the ball to our blokes, he got run down, I think he even missed a goal (might be wrong on that though). Anyway, come in here on Monday, and it was all Ratten's fault as he was comprehensively outcoached! Yet he had a gun midfielder who couldn't do anything right on the day. Means you're coaching with a hand behind your back.

So Murph gets absolved for a stinker (rare admittedly), and Ratts gets bashed because (in effect) guys like Murph didn't play well enough.

I thought the weekend's game was a perfect example of guys like Grigg, Browne, Kreuzer, Jamison, Hampson (to a lesser extent), and Armfield coming to the end of their first full seasons of playing football. They looked tired and worn out. Their bodies have copped a lot, and they just seemed stuffed. Remember too that this is only Gibbs' second season, and Murph has only played 1.5 seasons. That's not necessarily being outcoached, that's simply our players being tired and worn out.

In the end, yeah Ratts has made mistakes, and I am sure he made some on Sunday. But too many people absolve the players (with JR being a notable exception) and that is being disingenuous to our situation here.

My point is that I have given you someone that has had trouble with one of those blokes, who in my opinion has an inferior list to ours and has a good coaching record against our coach.
I also believe we have a better list than Collingwood and in terms of Eade, latley which is when we played them everyone has his number.

Well said Molly. Well said.

And thanks for putting all that down. Would have taken me forever to type that many words

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The lights come on and thats all you see????

Posturing at this point of the season/draft and what eventuates are two different things...

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I think youll find i post when we win too....

No i dont need a job.... i have one....its time consuming as it is....

But that doesnt mean were on the right tram coaching/development wise though does it???

Like its not just me and Ratts and noone else in the whole wide world???

Is it???

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