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Nothing like being patronised to by Synbad. :roll:

I felt Waite had a pretty good game and just felt it was harsh that he was singled out.

However whilst we're on the topic, you ask how come if Waite was so good we got scored so heavily against??

Well perhaps we could start with being cleaned up in clearances, being smashed in inside 50's and being killed in contested posession?? I didn't know Waite was the sole player responsible for these areas.

I feel we lack midfield/ forward accountability and get a bit tired about the flack our defence gets.


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Synners,

you actually did have a problem with Judd. You stated at the time that you didn't want him, but that the recruiting decision wasn't up to you. If I could be bothered going back through TalkingJudd then I'd show it to you.

I should know, because I also didn't want Judd... so anybody wanting to dig it up doesn't need to embarrass me. But I'm not the one posting here that 'now I don't have a problem with Judd... he's the best player in the comp and something we seriously lack'. At the time you were against a Judd trade...


Molly, I thought you had already met the Dean of Revisionism 101, Sailor Man?

Apologies for the oversight.

Dean Sailor Man meet Molly. Molly, Dean Sailor Man. 8)

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kernafides wrote:
Nothing like being patronised to by Synbad. :roll:

I felt Waite had a pretty good game and just felt it was harsh that he was singled out.

However whilst we're on the topic, you ask how come if Waite was so good we got scored so heavily against??

Well perhaps we could start with being cleaned up in clearances, being smashed in inside 50's and being killed in contested posession?? I didn't know Waite was the sole player responsible for these areas.

I feel we lack midfield/ forward accountability and get a bit tired about the flack our defence gets.


He probably didn't get his fist in often enough.


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Keep in mind that we don't have 1, NOT 1 player in the top 25 for tackles in the comp yet we leave our best tackler, and indeed one of the best in the comp.......in the "twos" :roll: .

Is there any wonder we were smashed in the centre last week?


JR currently rates as the 5th best tackler for Carlton in 08 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Regards Cazzesman


That might be because he is staring at backsides all day long and not getting the pill himself.. and when he dies he is impotent!!!


"Yawn"

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Yeaah thats what his selection does.... :wink:


Downunder Chick you dont remember last years trading "Pick twenty is not in the mix" do you????

This is posturing time.....

We are into Kerr in a big way....... reckon with a year in his contract we will be trading Saddington and Ackland for him????(if we trade) :lol:

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Synbad wrote:
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Keep in mind that we don't have 1, NOT 1 player in the top 25 for tackles in the comp yet we leave our best tackler, and indeed one of the best in the comp.......in the "twos" :roll: .

Is there any wonder we were smashed in the centre last week?


JR currently rates as the 5th best tackler for Carlton in 08 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Regards Cazzesman


That might be because he is staring at backsides all day long and not getting the pill himself.. and when he dies he is impotent!!!


"Yawn"

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Yeaah thats what his selection does.... :wink:


Downunder Chick you dont remember last years trading "Pick twenty is not in the mix" do you????

This is posturing time.....

We are into Kerr in a big way....... reckon with a year in his contract we will be trading Saddington and Ackland for him????(if we trade) :lol:


Enlighten me Sailor Man.......

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Synbad wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
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Waite as a loose man has no idea?? I must have been at a different game...I thought he covered 3 or 4 blokes on many occasions and I lost count of the time he saved our ar$e


You lost count with how many times Waite saved our ar$e???

Ok we were smashed by a big score kicked against us....
We had a few players playing defensive roles.....


If Waite was ok as the loose man across half back..... how come we were scored so heavily against and we had a flood????

Waite isnt a natural reader of the ball.... what he can do is at times do the athletically incredible stuff....and its very eyecatching..... but he also creates some eye catching stuff ups...


While were on the defence how many times have a heap of our forwards gone up as one and come down as one on their backs only for the ball to hit the ground and an opposition forward to just waltz in and kick a goal???

Ok another one....
How many times have our defenders punched the ball back to an opposition forward ????

Defence 101....



Welcome back Synners, I thought I could smell crap in the air - after all you only come around after we have a crap game.

Before you start pointing the finger to Waite, perhaps you could look at Saddo who game so many one on one goals away or Thorton who can seem to puch without the slight touch of the opponents back or the entire midfield who seemed to let them get the ball away without being tackled.

Yet it seems that all this is Ratts fault because he is coach and to a point I agree with you, but it was very clear from his presser that the boys didn't follow the instructions that was given.

Do I think that Ratts is a great coach - No, do I think he can be a great coach - only time will tell, but right now he is the best person for the job.

Look back to the last couple years and you will see that Russel wanted to go home, Thorton wanted out and there were murmors about a couple others who wanted out as well, now I know that allot of people would say good riddens if they don't want to play for us then we don't wants them, but how many would be saying that when Hampson goes to GC17 and Gibbs goes home and Bower prefers the WA climate - I think you get the point.

The first and most important job that Ratts has done is to repair the team spirit that was torn to shreds last year and only after that has been completed can you start to work on tactics and strategies. I am prepared to give him some time to show what he is capable of, after all who cuts a player they draft after 1 year because they think they won't be up to it?


Steve ... how are you?
Suprised you can smell crap - i thought youd be immune to the smell.. haveing it as a mainstay all the time.

Why did i post this week and not last week???

I dont post on practice sessions anymore...

Should i have come on and said "We were unbelievable last week"?Dont think so.. Port are not a measure....
If youre aiming at the stars you dont look for worms....

Now as for Saddington... i dont even mention him cos everybody knows what i thought about his a) trade b) inclusion....
He is irellevant to us except hurting our growth each and every time he is picked.

Saddo is a lovely guy..... but he cant play AFL football unless he is chosen by a coach who believed that "Austin may have cost us a couple of games and we need some senior body experience".... which is just another laughable theory when that "senior body experience " is Saddington...

As for Waite... geez he is flashy isnt he?
He does some umazing things.....does nt he???

But then when he falls to the ground when he has to hold his feet in a contest..
or that really lazy disposal....
Or the fact he does all that undisciplined stuff at crucial time....

There are too sides to JW... his best is great.. his worst is woeful....

And no he isnt the smartest footballer out there.....

As for Ratts he is a couple of games like the North game away from taking us back to where we were....

The fact he is repairing Pagans damage 14 months in is laughable....
He needs to stamp himsel;f on the team with a sustainable gameplan.....

The rest is BULLSHYTE!!!!

......were becoming the new StKilda..... talent in the side.. but "next year... next year"

By the way,,,,,, do you think that his automatic choice of Russell is great on the morale of players who dont get given an opportunity????
Do you REALLY believe that by choosing Russell the players look for the open Russell or the 3 to 1 Fevola when were attcking???

And what do you think the spells for the psyche of the team????

A couple of players have been 'damaged' by his not even handed appraissal of where the players are at...
Some get the wax lyrical approach for very ordinary performances and some get told theyre not doing enough .... blah blah blah.. for a ripper game in the VFL...


Yes.... Ratts might be looking at selling off another early pick and a good young player for his answer.....
(Which makes it 2 top 20 picks in last years draft and JK and then we might be looking at a top 10 pick in a strong draft and a kid... maybe for Kerr....

So we have Kerr and Judd but lost FIVE 10 year players...

Now i dnt have a problem with Judd .. hes the best player in the comp and something we seriously lack.....but Kerr??... that smacks of desperation of a team who has NO confidence in its recruiting and NO confidence in its development and has NO answers on how to formulate a gameplan...

Now we know that Kerr will cost us HEAPS!!!.. we know that!!!.. not "we " as in us on TC.. but "we " as a club.. including CEOs coaches and MC....

Interesting to see what happens next.....

But having said all that..... if we could move the ball into our 50 with space... and link up out of defence with wthats considered a bloody good midfield by alot of people.. not very young either... middle aged in footy terms...

Why would we even be considering Kerr for a heavy premium???


Judd is only marginally better than Kerr.


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Keep your nose out of this Virgin Blue :-D

He, he, he... your love for Kerr really knows no limits!


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DownUnderChick wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Synbad wrote:
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Keep in mind that we don't have 1, NOT 1 player in the top 25 for tackles in the comp yet we leave our best tackler, and indeed one of the best in the comp.......in the "twos" :roll: .

Is there any wonder we were smashed in the centre last week?


JR currently rates as the 5th best tackler for Carlton in 08 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Regards Cazzesman


That might be because he is staring at backsides all day long and not getting the pill himself.. and when he dies he is impotent!!!


"Yawn"

Regards Cazzesman



Yeaah thats what his selection does.... :wink:


Downunder Chick you dont remember last years trading "Pick twenty is not in the mix" do you????

This is posturing time.....

We are into Kerr in a big way....... reckon with a year in his contract we will be trading Saddington and Ackland for him????(if we trade) :lol:


Enlighten me Sailor Man.......


Stay in the darkness... i am not your shepherd....

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Judd is only marginally better than Kerr.


JR is better than Kerr.

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DownUnderChick wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
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Keep in mind that we don't have 1, NOT 1 player in the top 25 for tackles in the comp yet we leave our best tackler, and indeed one of the best in the comp.......in the "twos" :roll: .

Is there any wonder we were smashed in the centre last week?


JR currently rates as the 5th best tackler for Carlton in 08 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Regards Cazzesman


That might be because he is staring at backsides all day long and not getting the pill himself.. and when he dies he is impotent!!!


By that reckoning, the below players are all arse watchers.
Brett Kirk
Domenic Cassisi
Jude Bolton
Lenny Hayes
Joel Corey
Luke Ball
James Kelly
Jimmy Bartel


That's the problem with isolating one stat and trying to make a point on it soley. All the above players have many strings to their bow meaning they win the contested footy, create goals, I50s, as well as lay tackles in tight to stop oposition from easy clearences.

Problem with JR is that he isn't one of these type of players. He IS a bum chaser (not that kind).

Most players have an upside that is a bit better than 80th in the comp for tackles.

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yes but he if he is asked to be a bum chaser then he is doing his job.

If we have a few who refuse to be bum chasers then it only stands to reason we need a few who mostly are.

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kernafides wrote:
Nothing like being patronised to by Synbad. :roll:

I felt Waite had a pretty good game and just felt it was harsh that he was singled out.

However whilst we're on the topic, you ask how come if Waite was so good we got scored so heavily against??

Well perhaps we could start with being cleaned up in clearances, being smashed in inside 50's and being killed in contested posession?? I didn't know Waite was the sole player responsible for these areas.

I feel we lack midfield/ forward accountability and get a bit tired about the flack our defence gets.


I didnt solely blame Waite for losing...... if you read back..

But the selection of him as the loose man wasnt right.
Saddington could play that role better...

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If hs job is to chase bums then he'll win the Brownlow. Get it....BROWNlow :wink: .

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DownUnderChick wrote:
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Judd is only marginally better than Kerr.


JR is better than Kerr.


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Saddo struggles to be involved in the contest that comes to him let alone trying to pick others off :shock:


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Saddo struggles to be involved in the contest that comes to him let alone trying to pick others off :shock:


I agree....Synbad's post was one of the craziest in TC history. Waite plays that role very well. Problem is we needed two JW on Sunday. We desperately needed a CHF Waite as well.

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I agree....Synbad's post was one of the craziest in TC history


My goodness! That's quite some achievement!!! :-D :-D :-D


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yes but he if he is asked to be a bum chaser then he is doing his job.

If we have a few who refuse to be bum chasers then it only stands to reason we need a few who mostly are.

So his sole job is to chase bums.... and he is only (is it sixth for the club?)

By the way how many minutes for tackles does he have compared to everybody else?

Cos he has played every game which is more than mst of the others on our list and his sole claim to fame is sixth in the tackle count???

Geeez were scraping the bottom to make him look justified... arent we???? :roll:

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Saddo struggles to be involved in the contest that comes to him let alone trying to pick others off :shock:


Saddington HATES body contact but does ok out on his own....

I know my footy...!!! :wink:

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I assure you Synners...so do I :wink:

You can have Saddo and I'll have Waite, we'll leave it at that


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