TalkingCarlton • View topic - Player contract discussion

Board index » TalkingCarlton » TalkingCarlton

All times are UTC + 10 hours

Player contract discussion

Page 12 of 21

[ 401 posts ]

Go to page Previous 1 ... 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 ... 21 Next

Print view

Previous topic | Next topic

Author

Message

bluebo baggers

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:28 pm

Robert Walls

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:54 pm
Posts: 3527
Location: looking for a good bloke to have a beer with

Fevola wrote:

Anyone pissed off as I am about the unbusiness like contract negotiations with the Fev ? I think its crap that they were not professional enough to keep talks inhouse, instead bowing to media demands. I also think its bullshit to keep negotations with one of our most important/marketable players till last. Make no mistake if he goes, our club will suffer membership wise and be put back another couple of years as well.

I think its crap that Swan made this call, IMO Swan had a poor media week so far.

I also think its crap how our most important players Fev, Murphy and Waite are still not signed. It is taking so long, and I am not so confident on our administration at the moment.

I get the impression that things are not so smooth now that Pratt is officially gone and he has other things on his plate...........

I know - lets start a thread about Fev's contract talks!!

_________________
I'm shocked to be sitting here

Top

BrizzyBlue

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:05 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:26 pm
Posts: 1771
Location: Not bloody close enough to the action!!

Fevola wrote:

The Duke wrote:

...and it's only Wednesday.

Good on 'im I say. Fev tried to out fox Swann and Icke and they out witted him (seems hard to believe, I know).

Ball's in the club's court now, just what they wanted.

Now let me see......anybody with the letters Fev in their username or the Duke? This is tough to decide who is right. :roll:

Hey Fevy, love your enthusiasm, but you are way off the mark here. The club put up a contract to your love child. The club has not played this out through the media. The clubs offer is way more than Brendan deserves. He is the one haggling about a few little details. If it comes down to a showdown between Swanny/CFC and Fev, well sorry son; the club will always be bigger than the individual. :!:

In fact I don't blame the club for shopping him around if that is the case, but I doubt he would get the amount of money he thinks he is worth and we certainly won't get value from other clubs. Keep in mind he wanted to go to Richmond a couple of years ago and they offered a bag of stale chips and a discarded mars bar wrapper.

If Fev has any brains (pardon the pun), he would get on his bike and say $700,000 a year for 3 years, where do I sign? :wink:

_________________
2002:> "In their Masters Chambers
They Gathered for their Feast
They Stabbed us with their Steely Knives
But They Just Can't Kill The Beast!" <2016

THE BLUEBAGGER BEAST IS BAACKK!!

Top

Drewgirl

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:37 pm

formerly Fevola

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:57 pm
Posts: 4775

Brizzy

Its not only about Fev, why the hell does it take about 4 months to sign Murphy. Negotiations have been going since April. Young guys should not take that long.

Secondly, how unprofessional to offer someone a contract then take it away. They should be negotiating not stopping. Can they not go away and negotiate in private instead of not talking about the contract anymore ?

I think Swan just does not like Fev full stop......... I hope he does not let his personal feelings get in the way of our leading goalkicker for quite some time. CEO's come and go, but leading goalkickers and coleman medalists last throught Carlton and AFL history.

I agree that maybe (?) Fev has been trying to play hardball, but I thought that happens in every contract negotiation. You just dont hear about the others.

I think the club should have said to Fev, dont talk about the contract anymore, and they should have done the same. Both Swan and Ratts came out and did not disguise their frustration which in turn fueled the media even more.

Poorly handled by the club if you ask me.........

Top

GWS

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:57 pm

Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:17 am
Posts: 18713
Location: threeohfivethree

Fevola wrote:

Have you noticed that neither Waite nor Murphy's contract negotiations have been played out in the media in the way that Fev's have?

Fev's a dill.

Swann's not.

I'm happy to back Swann on this one.

_________________
“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Top

Drewgirl

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:10 pm

formerly Fevola

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:57 pm
Posts: 4775

Well the media, has chosen not to talk about Murphy or Waite as they dont sell stories, this is why.

Hardly a fair argument.

Top

BrizzyBlue

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:14 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:26 pm
Posts: 1771
Location: Not bloody close enough to the action!!

Here we go again Fev or GWS? Just as easy IMHO!

Fev is the problem here not Swanny. When quizzed on the Footy Show about hios intentions, Fev said "I'm not gunna talk about my contract" He then spent the next 15 minutes talking about it. FFS, he just can't button his lip. Who was it that rang MMM fuelling the debate?

Talking about the Footy Show, do you remember Sam saying that Shane Crawford shares a brain with Fev?

Let me tell you he at least doesn't get sucked in and plays his negotiations through the meda.

On a final note, Swanny is close enough to the best CEO in the country. If it is his determination that Fev has to piss or get off the pot, I for one will back him 100%. Who do you think got Juddy to the club whilst retaining our number one pick used on Kreuzer? He is just playing hardball right now. You would have to agree that he should, yes?

_________________
2002:> "In their Masters Chambers
They Gathered for their Feast
They Stabbed us with their Steely Knives
But They Just Can't Kill The Beast!" <2016

THE BLUEBAGGER BEAST IS BAACKK!!

Top

Drewgirl

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:47 pm

formerly Fevola

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:57 pm
Posts: 4775

Pratt got Juddy, no-one else................ The others just acted on his instructions....

I agree Swan is good at what he does, but dont agree on this contract postponment bullshit......... Now if they were smart they should have negotiated in private rather.

Correct me if I am wrong, but at the start of the year Swan himself said we would talk to Fev about his new contract in June this year, which is when it started. Then Pratt came out and said give Fev a new 3 year contract and then John Elliott came out and said the same thing. This is when it all started.

If you are going to blame Fev for all this, talk about the big picture.

I agree Fev gets sucked in easy, so what not everyone is einstein and frankly I dont care if he is not as I go to the footy to watch him play.

I am highly disappointed in the club with the handling of this matter. You Fev haters are just clouded.

Top

DownUnderChick

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:38 pm

Herald Sun columnist

Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:26 pm
Posts: 10018
Location: Visy Park

Unless your actually your namesake Fevola, I'm not sure how privy you are to everything that appears to go on down at the club.

Quote:

Secondly, how unprofessional to offer someone a contract then take it away. They should be negotiating not stopping. Can they not go away and negotiate in private instead of not talking about the contract anymore ?

At the risk of being too sarcastic, how old are you Fev? The above comment must make you about 16 or something. Am I right?

Why does it shock you that a contract has been withdrawn?

Fev wanted X and Swann said Y.

Fev said X and Swann said Y. Swann got tired of waiting for a deal to get done and said bugger it, lets hold off until the season ends.

Perfectly logical to do that. Everyone is happy [except you].

If he signs, he signs, if he doesn't we should do well in getting picks for him.

Try not to be too disgusted with all and sundry at the club because Fev hasn't signed up.

And don't ever use My Smurph's name in the same breath as your buddy, because unless you are privy to My Smurph holding the club to ransom, then you EXACTLY like those picking on your beloved.

_________________
“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

Top

In London Still

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:55 pm

Adrian Gallagher

Joined: Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:53 am
Posts: 52
Location: London

Siegfried wrote:

3 more for Hampson.

Lots of long term contracts being done at the moment, interesting. Suspect it has much to do with GC17.

Richard HADLEY - signed Oct 2007 for ? Years
Ryan Jackson - ?
Aisake O'hAilpin - ?
Darren Pfeiffer - ?

2007 Jordan BANNISTER - signed Nov 2006 for ? years
2007 Ryan HOULIHAN - signed Nov 2006 for ? Years

2007 Andrew CARRAZZO
2007 Jake EDWARDS
2007 Setanta O'hAILPIN
2007 Jason SADDINGTON

2008 Joe ANDERSON
2008 Mark AUSTIN
2008 Clint BENJAMIN
2008 Adam BENTICK - assumes 1 year contract (option for second year)
2008 Luke BLACKWELL
2008 Cameron CLOKE - assumes 1 year contract
2008 Brendon FEVOLA
2008 Shaun GRIGG
2008 Adam HARTLETT
2008 Marc MURPHY
2008 Jordan RUSSELL
2008 Jarrad WAITE
2008 Simon WIGGINS

2009 Cain ACKLAND
2009 Dennis ARMFIELD - assumes 2 year contract
2009 Paul BOWER
2009 Steven BROWNE - assumes 2 year contact
2009 Matthew KREUZER - assumes 2 year contract
2009 Heath SCOTLAND - assumes 2 year contract
2009 Kade SIMPSON
2009 Bret THORNTON
2009 Andrew WALKER

2010 Brad FISHER
2010 Eddie BETTS
2010 Bryce GIBBS
2010 Nick STEVENS - assumes 3 year contract

2011 Sean HAMPSON
2011 Michael JAMISON

2013 Chris Judd - assumes 6 year contract

This is a great thread, in as much as it aims to keep a record for us all of who's contact expires when. Can I suggest to the mods that it could be a "sticky" and that posters on this thread limit the posts to details of confirmed contractual siutations of the players, rather than commentary on contract discussions (which can appear in non-sticky threads like the one we already have on Fev).

Now then, the above list has Carrazzo, Edwards, Setanta and Saddington as having contracts that expire end 2007. That can't be right. Can anyone update on these guys so that the list will be near complete? Did Saddington sign a one-year extension and so should he be put down as 2008? I seem to recall Carrazzo re-signing last year - is that right - would that have been for two years (i.e. end 2009)?

Also, for Bannister and Houlihan, they probably signed two year contracts, so they should both expire this year (2008) - can anyone confirm this?

Top

Drewgirl

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:01 pm

formerly Fevola

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:57 pm
Posts: 4775

Well for a start I am not 16, so dont mock me...............

This thread is about personal opinion, and I dont deserve to be called 16 years old.

I have been a loyal Carlton supporter for 30 years, so I understand a little about how the club works.

I am not going to bother with my opinion about the whole fev contract sage anymore, as all of you seem to want him gone, so WHATEVER!!

You calling me 16 downunder chick - MY MURPH!!!!!! Please!! Thes way you go on about murphy sounds you are going through Puberty. Sorry you asked for it. :shock:

Top

DownUnderChick

Post subject:

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:30 pm

Herald Sun columnist

Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:26 pm
Posts: 10018
Location: Visy Park

Fevola wrote:

I wish I was 16 again. :wink:

I know your passionate about Fev and the club Fev and I apologise if I offended you.

I didn't state that I wanted Fev gone. So read the post again please.

I have been a loyal Carlton supporter for 40 years, but I know jack. I don't pretend to know what's going on behind closed doors. I know not to believe the media and I work in the media. :roll:

The comment about your age related to the fact that you would have to be 'young' to think that contract negotiations are talked about and talked about and talked about until their is a resolution.

Someone that doesn't happen and its hardly fitting that you state that the club and Swann are unprofessional for withdrawing the contract.

Maybe Fev said shove it.

Do you know what transpired?

Top

Drewgirl

Post subject:

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:03 am

formerly Fevola

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:57 pm
Posts: 4775

No worries Downunder Chick...... I get a bit passionate about Fev sometimes. No I dont know what is happening, but neither does anyone in relation to Fevs contract. Everyone is saying he is holding us to ransom etc etc, but we dont know that for sure do we.

Maybe its the club that is playing hard ball in an unfair manner. We dont know this.

What I am saying, is I wish that they would continue to talks behind closed doors. He is a life member of the club, leading goalkicker for so many years, surely they can work something out. I honestly dont think he is smart enough to play hard ball, there has to be something else to it.

Remember when Thornton wanted to go to Hawthorn, it was Fev that called him and tried to get him to stay.

With Fevs comments about money etc and past contract dealing, he does not seem the type to hold the club for Ransom. Then I suppose I was wrong about Hamill, so who knows.

Top

cj69

Post subject:

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:14 am

Rod Ashman

Joined: Mon May 14, 2007 12:06 pm
Posts: 2098

I have no doubt that there are differences of opinions at Carlton of the value of Fev.

Not unusal, as with this website, Fev polarises people. Some are willing to accept the good with the bad, some aren't.

Swann doesn't like Fev and tried to have him sacked earlier in the year. Ratten as a new coach has done everything to back him. Also, Elliotts comments about resigning him didn't help.

I honestly believe that Ratten is now getting frustrated with Fev.

Will they sign him at the end of the year, I reckon its a 50/50 bet.

Time will tell but there is no doubt his value at Carlton has dimished, as I believe have several others.

Top

SparkyBlue

Post subject:

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:37 am

Rod Ashman

Joined: Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:21 am
Posts: 2345
Location: sitting at my computer...

DownUnderChick wrote:

Fevola wrote:

I wish I was 16 again. :wink:

If you were in your teens again, football would be the last thing on Murph's mind, eh DUC? :wink:

Hey Fev trade talkers - stay or go, we WIN.

A champion goalkicker or decent players and a first round draft pick.

WIN/WIN.

Top

DownUnderChick

Post subject:

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:05 am

Herald Sun columnist

Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:26 pm
Posts: 10018
Location: Visy Park

SparkyBlue wrote:

DownUnderChick wrote:

Fevola wrote:

I wish I was 16 again. :wink:

If you were in your teens again, football would be the last thing on Murph's mind, eh DUC? :wink:

Hey Fev trade talkers - stay or go, we WIN.

A champion goalkicker or decent players and a first round draft pick.

WIN/WIN.

You're a dirty old man Sparky. :-D

Top

Kaptain Kouta

Post subject:

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:28 am

Bruce Doull

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm
Posts: 63509

Fevola wrote:

I honestly dont think he is smart enough to play hard ball, there has to be something else to it.

AKA bottom-feeding, scumbag player managers.

_________________
And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Top

kezza

Post subject:

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:04 am

Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm
Posts: 15046

The Age had an article today about Melbourne wanting to get J Brown on a 5 year 5 mill deal. Other clubs are no doubt talking to Fev's management right now about similar deals, not so big though. Unless clubs are willing to trade a good player such as J Brown, Travis Cloke or Pavlich we will not win out of a trade for him. In case you havent noticed we do not have any forwards capable of kicking a winning score besides Fev. The afl have made it easier for players to move clubs by allowing them to enter the national draft this year if uncontracted. Getting a good draft pick doesnt always mean a good player-remember Luke Livingston!
Losing Fev could mean many more years near the bottom of the ladder, especially with the new teams coming in. By deferring his contract talks it could end up costing us more if we want to keep him-remember Whitnalls last contract? I think the club has made a big stuff up.

Top

GWS

Post subject:

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:36 am

Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:17 am
Posts: 18713
Location: threeohfivethree

Just because some of us are content to let the club continue handling it the way it is doesn't mean we necessarily want Fevola to leave.

_________________
“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Top

kezza

Post subject:

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:21 am

Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm
Posts: 15046

The news during the week said that Waite was expected to sign this week, still waiting, when is Murphy going to sign as well. Getting a bit frustated by all this.

Top

SurreyBlue

Post subject:

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:33 am

Ken Hunter

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am
Posts: 10613

I agree with the last 2 posts. The Murphy signature is my concern above all others. I think Fev and Waite will sign and Fev willl learn another big lesson in life.

Top

Page 12 of 21

[ 401 posts ]

Go to page Previous 1 ... 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 ... 21 Next

Board index » TalkingCarlton » TalkingCarlton

All times are UTC + 10 hours

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: _HK_, keogh, Mickstar, sinbagger and 30 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum