PROS:
Mark Austin - 2008 debut and showed a bit on only his second game of footy. Should get a couple more goes this season.

Adam Bentick - worked his way into the game a lot better than the week before.

Eddie Betts - sensational goal kicker

Andrew Carrazzo - this kid will never die wondering.

Cameron Cloke - has been getting plenty of the ball this year. Was definitely not disgraced for such a short ruckman.

Brendan Fevola - excellent tackling and 5 goals to boot. Sensational player.

Brad Fisher - has amazing agility when the ball is at ground level. Good effort roaming the forward line.

Bryce Gibbs - smashed Goodes into next year. Just keeps getting better.

Shaun Grigg - great goal in an otherwise quite game.

Adam Hartlett - survived and the run will do him good.

Michael Jamison - never panics and is developing swiftly.

Chris Judd - didn't get it a lot, but got a number of important touches and kicked two lovely goals.

Matthew Kreuzer - sensational effort in the ruck and at ground level.

Marc Murphy - much better this week, and his goal was a beauty.

Jordan Russell - instrumental in a number of goals and slotted one himself nicely.

Heath Scotland - this bloke can take a great mark. Has had a great year again.

Kade Simpson - one of his best games. All heart.

Nick Stevens - survived a pretty nasty injury scare.

Bret Thornton - did his job with no fuss.

Jarrad Waite - electric at times.

Andrew Walker - did some amazing things in an excellent game returning from injury.

Simon Wiggins - presents so well leading up from half-forward and is a very strong mark.

Apparently on CSC forum site Fisher's carrying a knee injury and needs it operated on. Also Kade Simpson needs an adductor release at season's end. Poster was "DOA", Andrew Walker's dad. Unfortunately he didn't update us on his own son.

Fisher showed last year he can cut it.

Send them off now so they're right for pre-season.

If Ratts continues with these players he'll lose me.

Simmo's must be minor as he's playing good footy. Not hard to tell why Fisher's struggling though. Needs an operation now if he can't at his best.

I knew it!!

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An adductor release will stuff Simmo's pre-season. We can't make the 8 so we must focus on 'list management'. Put him in now.

Hmmmmmmmmm. Sad game. Entertaining to watch, but sad we couldn't come away with the 4 points.

nobody to blame really but ourselves. Dissposals were shocking, hence why Sydney won....... Simple really.

I'll start with the Pro's.

GIBBS - Jesus, the last 3-4 games have just been brilliant. Like a 10 year veteran.

FEVOLA - Best thing i saw him do when the siren went was grab the game ball and hand it straight to Waite. Fev is that type of player..........prooves he loves his team mates and club and is playing for the navy blue (even if at times it doesn't look that way)

JAMMO - looks like a 200+ gamer.

KREUZER - he may have been beaten, but was still our best option in the ruck and i love his second efforts and chases. Ruckman aren't supposed to do that.

WE LOST DUE TO POOR DISSPOSALS AND A FEW "HANGERS-ON"
I say this as a PRO because it's simple, drop the hangers-on and put a strong address to our dissposal and we aren't far off being a Top 4 team ourselves.



Whist i'm a big fan of what Ratts has done with this footy club (really enjoying him as a coach and do think he's the perfect choice), i'm a bit dissapointed with him rewarding lackluster and piss-weak performences. Maybe he's mates with some and doesn't like others.......even still, rewarding these players.

Which brings me to our CONS:-

WE LOST DUE TO POOR DISSPOSALS AND A FEW "HANGERS-ON"
Hands down 100% the whole reason we lost the game. You can blame the time-keepers, the umpires, Rattens choices, blah blah blah............. but at the end of the day, poor dissposals and players who are JUST NOT AFL MATERIAL is the reason.
Your playing against a side who DOESN'T DROP MARKS at crucial stages of the game week in week out or WHO DOESN'T KICK 3foot over a leading forwards head or KEEPS THEIR BLOODY FEET instead of going to ground. That's why they are a top 4 side and we're not. Plain and simple really.

USUAL SUSPECTS.
Setanta has his critics, and occasionally shows that he is still learning the game, but at least he gives 100% and is a good kick (YES - a good kick. his efficency rating is higher than quite a few of our players.

Russell and Fisher might have done 1 or 2 good things, but far to often they do half a dozen shocking things that cost us!

Russell's goal in the first doesnt cancel out him dropping a sitter just 25mtrs our from goal UNCONTESTED in a PAINFULLY-CRUCIAL stage of the game. 30seconds later, Sydney had a goal and were in front. He is not cut up to AFL standard and has been given more than enough chances, a bloody geneours amount if you ask me. So what he had good qtr against port and so what he does a nice handball that ends in a goal. Your a top line senior football in the premier comp in the leauge. this is what's expected of you all the time. I can handle mistakes, but not whne itr takes up 75% of your game. Tell me one other team that he'd fit into and be consistantly rewarded for second rate football. If Bannister is fit, he MUST replace him, Not good enough.

Fisher's is a forward. He was drafted as a CHF/flanker type player. He is a beaut mark, i constantly say that, but if you can't kick a simple goal like the ones he missed than sorry...........you just can't hold a spot in the side of an AFL team. Very dissapointing to say it too cause i love the guy. Am a big fan of what he COULD BE...........but sadly, he is not there!

Carrazzo , whom i did like the idea of being in defence, is clearly not a defender and needs to be moved. The problem is where? Cause his turnovers are terrible and cost us. Winning the B&F MIGHT save him but i'd clearly look to drop him.

We have to address this issue people or we simply just will-not make the top 4-8.
Make no mistake,............. Geelong is a top notch elite team. The Bulldogs aren't far behind. Hawthorn are good but are showing signs of fatigue now.
But apart from that................... Sydney, Collingwood, Adelaide, StKilda, North Melbourne are not that great. Hell, we beat the pies twice and almost did sydney. We aren't that far off them and the top 8 is a VERT VERY TIGHT FIGHT this year. Drop a few 'hangers-on" and spend the pre-season addressing our kicking issues and we could well fight it out in the top 4 next year!

Not as far fetched as you think.

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Fisher looks fine running around the ground. Fisher also looked fine kicking his goal. If Fisher has a knee injury it can't be that bad and not bad enough to excuse his kicking or ability to mark.

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Spot on Ryan2000......Sydney won because their "foot soldiers" were better than ours.

The positive for me is that we have the likes of Browne, Hampson (and Jacobs?), Armfield, Bower and Hadley to come into the side in the coming weeks who will be able to replace these "hangers-on" types.

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Sure it could. IF he has problems with his patella tendons (jumpers knee) as the taping under his kneecaps suggests then that could quite easily result in some poor kicks. COuld also cause pain jumping for marks. Patella tendonapathy is painful. Your knees warm up and running is not too much of a problem but kicking long and hard hurts.

Having said that i dont think Fisher is playing all that well. If this is a result of the knees then he should be sent of for an op or given some time to rectify the issue. Unless the coaching staff believe even half fit he is better than out next best option.

I'm guess 1AW's dad would have a pretty good idea of what's happening, alot more than we ever will. If he says Fisher has a knee problem then I'd say he has a knee problem. Unless you're inside his body you don't know what restrictions there really are. In his case sort it out now. Be a fair reason why he's a little down on form.

Pro's:

Murphy, Gibbs, Simmo, Jamo, Fev, Austin, Walker (until injured), Eddie

Con's:

Fisher: Can't kick at all. Overrated by the club. Will not win a flag with him in the forward line. He is paid to kick goals. 1st Quarter miss an absolute disgrace for an AFL forward. His easy missed shots on goal every week, not good enough for an AFL forward who has been in the system for 5-6 years.

Russel: Can't kick for goal, decision making and disposal not the best. Very soft. Dropped 3 marks in the last quarter (1 was an easy chest mark which resulted in a Sydney turnover for a Sydney goal)

Carrazzo: Disgraceful disposer. Consistantly turns over the ball. Will be the next Carlton B&F winner to be delisted.

Bentick: Turns over the ball too many times as well. Not up to AFL standard.

Cloke: Just a fill in player at best. Once we recruit a CHF and get another ruckman (Hopefully Warnock), and with the development of Kreuzer and Hampson, Cloke will not be at the CFC. Last 2 weeks has made too many kicking errors, resulting in opposition goals.

Waite: Missed a goal on the run, and made a couple of kicking clangers in defence. Hopefully he improves.

Hartlett: He will not be our CHF in a premiership side. Too injury prone and when he gets a chance in the senior side, he does nothing.


Until we get rid of players such as Carrazzo, Bentick, Cloke, Russell and Fisher, and replace them with players who can kick, we will not win a premiership.

Calm down, no intention of being racist. An email a while back 'analysing' our list said Carazzo was Italian for turnover, it was a follow on from that. I don't care if he's Australian, Italian or Vanillan, it was a joke.

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Vanillian??

OK, I'll take back my venom.

its not a funny joke.Not the first time or the 100th I'm not Italian but I find it insulting.

Wiggins is an English name. Ackland is Germanic. Try those instead.

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No offence intended.

Wiggins could be English for many things, which in German would translate back to Ackland.

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Con: Swans supporter behaving like a tosser in the social club after the match

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Knee compliant or not unfortuntely I think Fishers days in the AFL are over

yea, we do it all the time. just go back and forwards and play anti-football rubbish

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Thought it was the perfect time to play tempo footy at the end of the 2nd quarter. We were 28 points up, with 30 mins gone and had possession in the back pocket. All things indicated it was the time to do it. Just because it wasn't executed correctly doesn't mean it was the wrong tactic.

And even if it did cost us in this situation, it is still important experience for a side that should be playing many high stakes, pressure cooker games in the future. We need to have this string to our bow.

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On my TV screen I knew there was 3min 50 sec to go in the qtr. before they started that tempo footy crap. Surely the coaching staff should have known that as well

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