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Article spot on
Maclure spot on
Fevola was pathetic Friday night
Frustrating


He is lucky he is getting 3 years


He obviously is staying but if he peforms the way he did Friday night he should be dropped and played in defence with an ant on his chest.

Its the only way he is going to grow up and realise the team is greater than him

Thats the issue here

And if he does sign Ratten has to have a consequence in place when Fevola plays like he played Friday night

If his attitude is poor then he gets dropped

If he wants to stay a Blue he needs to show some pride in the jumper.
64 goals so far!!!! That's why, in the end the club, needs him as much as he needs the club. Let's face it, if he was a 40 goal a year player he'd be gone. Works both ways. Tackles and chases and tackles as hard as anyone in the club. Plenty of pride in the jumper. Gave away a 50 the other night but who hasn't. If it's Fev it triple scrutiny by the dills of the world.

Typical. People are happy when he kicks 6-7 but have one bad night and all hell breaks loose. Don't worry about the other 10 who had a sh1t night too. Another one who's opinion is govern by the personality not the footballer. In the 'Ants, what absolute crap.


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jim wrote:
keogh wrote:
Article spot on
Maclure spot on
Fevola was pathetic Friday night
Frustrating


He is lucky he is getting 3 years


He obviously is staying but if he peforms the way he did Friday night he should be dropped and played in defence with an ant on his chest.

Its the only way he is going to grow up and realise the team is greater than him

Thats the issue here

And if he does sign Ratten has to have a consequence in place when Fevola plays like he played Friday night

If his attitude is poor then he gets dropped

If he wants to stay a Blue he needs to show some pride in the jumper.
64 goals so far!!!! That's why, in the end the club, needs him as much as he needs the club. Let's face it, if he was a 40 goal a year player he'd be gone. Works both ways. Tackles and chases and tackles as hard as anyone in the club. Plenty of pride in the jumper. Gave away a 50 the other night but who hasn't. If it's Fev it triple scrutiny by the dills of the world.

Typical. People are happy when he kicks 6-7 but have one bad night and all hell breaks loose. Don't worry about the other 10 who had a sh1t night too. Another one who's opinion is govern by the personality not the footballer. In the 'Ants, what absolute crap.


You contradict yourself when you say he's that important to us because of the goals he kicks, but then should be forgiven for having a slow night.

If he's that important, and being unselfish, he should know exactly what it means to the team to have a fully committed gun forward.

Caro's right, his selfishness over the contract is hurting the team. I thought we'd weeded those sorts of players out to make the team as a whole stronger.

I love Fev. I want him to play with us for his whole career, but I won't have him hurting the team just for more cash in pocket.

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That article isn't worth the paper its written on. I'm surprised The Age would even let it go to print.

Where's the article talking about Jonothan Brown and his contract negotiations? He's the one asking for a 5 year deal, not Fev.

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Still, Fevola is not completely stupid. Even he, despite what has clearly been some pretty ordinary advice close to home, could see the soap operatic nature of his contractual negotiations was starting to make him look like a selfish dill.


Besides field some questions on TFS, where he refused to comment, and 'allegedly' stop the Fenech fight with his revelations the Swans offered him a deal, what has Fev done to make his contract negotiations a soap opera?

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The angriest Carlton chief executive Greg Swann has appeared this season was when John Elliott was quoted in The Age saying Fevola deserved three years and Elliott had told then president Richard Pratt to sign him.


Whats this got to do with Fev? Hardly his fault Elliott has a big mouth.

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We understand his new management group was also becoming a trifle impatient, urging the player to sign and be done with it.


We understand...sounds like Caro is making stuff up again. There has also been opinion that his management group are poorly advising him. She said it herself, that he's been getting some pretty poor advice close to home. That either means his management or Alex. How on earth would Caro or 'her sources' know that?

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Premiership player Maclure put it best in The Age several days ago when he bristled at a comparison between the inconsistent if brilliantly talented footballer and the wild Carlton boys of the 1980s.

"He's not like us at all, he's selfish for starters," said Maclure.

"We wouldn't have put up with the way he carries on. We would have got him to pull his head in well before now. Ask me what I think of Brendan and I'd say too often he lets the team down, not to mention lets himself down by not giving his all.

"I think Brendan picks and chooses when he wants to play well and that is not the way to win premierships. He's a very good player, a brilliant player, but he's only that when he wants to be."


Wonderful use of a quote to back up your argument.

Is this the same Mark Maclure whos come out to take shots at the club and the way it was run over the same 6 years, but refused to help out 'until the right people were in place'?

Picks and chooses when he plays well? FFS, if you were to say sometimes his attitude prevents him from playing well, that would be fair enough, but to suggest he picks and chooses when to play well is accusing him of something far deeper and helps explain where Maclure is at.

Are there still a group of ex-players, including Rhys-Jones and I thought Maclure, working with the players on the history and culture of the club? They made a big song and dance about it saying they'd let the club and current players down by not being around. (this is distinct from Maclure refusing to help out with the off-field side of things).

Why didn't they get him to pull his head in a long time ago?

You can essentially blame Hutchy for all this crap. No one was talking about it and there was no pressure on Fev until he came out with the Swans story. Its not the first time a player has had lengthy negotiations and its not always the players fault.

As for the suggestion that we have a right to know the progress of contract signings with our players. What a wonderful competitive advantage we'd be giving the other 15 (soon 17) clubs. We elect a board, who then put the people in place to handle these things. Imagine the outroar amongst the media and supporters if the club were to come out and say negotiations with Marc Murphy aren't going well, we're a long way off agreeing to terms, its likely to take another 2 months. We've nearing completion of talks with Jason Saddington on a 1 year deal.

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Brad, J Brown didn't have a love in with the opposition after a bad loss either!

Fev has lost a fair bit of respect this weekend, footy is more then just kicking goals - the team is everything.

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So Fev has to sign his contract earlier than Brown because he had a chat to the opposition players after the game?

Fev didn't admit to drinking all the way to Mooloolaba while his missus drove either.

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fev is just fev and he has lost no respect whatsoever... when he does a barry hall and gets himself suspended for eight odd weeks and puts the team to the sword - then he would lose respect, but he doesn't...

he is the prime forward of the competition with an impeccable disciplinary record..these are the FACTS.


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TBB, if you believe what Grofunger has been saying then its quite clear Fev is umming and aaring over the contract. He's about to sign only for his selfishness to come out and the process prolongs itself unneccessarily time and again.

Ratten's quotes in the media yesterday just back that view up totally. Now you'll probably come back and say Murph and Waite haven't signed which on its own is a fair argument.

However, Fev may or may not sign the second biggest contract at the club. Its a sizeable contract that has differing connotations to the makeup of our salary cap for the next 3 years. Fev flowers off, we can front load others contracts more whilst still going for a decent out of contract player.

Fev stays and we know exactly where we're at. I'm confident that when and if he signs those other contracts will be finalised very quickly.

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After watching him Friday night I would be happy if we didn't sign him. This is a TEAM sport and Fev isn't a team player. Simple. Heard his radio interview and it was very oridnary, as far as I am concerned he is an insult to the Carlton jumper and we would be better without him.

After ten years of this crap I have had enough.

Would love to see us play the final few matches without him, my bet is it would be exciting and other players would stand up. I also believe our team spirit would be much better.


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teagueyubeauty wrote:
TBB, if you believe what Grofunger has been saying then its quite clear Fev is umming and aaring over the contract. He's about to sign only for his selfishness to come out and the process prolongs itself unneccessarily time and again.


Clearly he's umming and aaring over the contract or it would have been signed by now. That doesn't mean he's selfish, making it a soap opera and playing it out through the media.

What you've said about his contract holding others up is a good point, one I don't think many would realise and I hadn't really thought about it that way either.

Similarly though, I'm sure Brisbane have other players to sign so the same can be said of Browns signing.

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After watching him Friday night I would be happy if we didn't sign him. This is a TEAM sport and Fev isn't a team player. Simple. Heard his radio interview and it was very oridnary, as far as I am concerned he is an insult to the Carlton jumper and we would be better without him.

After ten years of this crap I have had enough.

Would love to see us play the final few matches without him, my bet is it would be exciting and other players would stand up. I also believe our team spirit would be much better.


Going on Gibbsy's comments early in the year the players love Fev.


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Shithouse article and illustrates how Caro is at a dry well as far as her employment is concerned..

This kind of media bullocks and the rubbish it radiates onto the populace it intends on touching... illustrates how we're manipulated and ushered anywhere they wanna take us....


its just the nature of the media beast .... isnt it?

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budzy wrote:
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After watching him Friday night I would be happy if we didn't sign him. This is a TEAM sport and Fev isn't a team player. Simple. Heard his radio interview and it was very oridnary, as far as I am concerned he is an insult to the Carlton jumper and we would be better without him.

After ten years of this crap I have had enough.

Would love to see us play the final few matches without him, my bet is it would be exciting and other players would stand up. I also believe our team spirit would be much better.


Going on Gibbsy's comments early in the year the players love Fev.


Body language on game day doesn't suggest that!


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After watching him Friday night I would be happy if we didn't sign him. This is a TEAM sport and Fev isn't a team player. Simple. Heard his radio interview and it was very oridnary, as far as I am concerned he is an insult to the Carlton jumper and we would be better without him.

After ten years of this crap I have had enough.

Would love to see us play the final few matches without him, my bet is it would be exciting and other players would stand up. I also believe our team spirit would be much better.


Going on Gibbsy's comments early in the year the players love Fev.


Body language on game day doesn't suggest that!


Player empowerment. As the boys grow into men, Fev will quickly pull his head in and abide to team rules.

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For @#$%&! sake.

Is Fev the only bloke out of contract at this time of year?

Has Murphy signed yet? Has Waite signed yet? Has J Brown signed yet? All selfish individuals I guess. Cancers on their clubs the lot of them.

Fev's right about one thing, everything he does or says is put under the microscope and then analysed and discussed Ad nauseum. If he's as dumb as Caro tries to paint then why does she care discussing what he says or does?


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mjonc wrote:
cj69 wrote:
budzy wrote:
cj69 wrote:
After watching him Friday night I would be happy if we didn't sign him. This is a TEAM sport and Fev isn't a team player. Simple. Heard his radio interview and it was very oridnary, as far as I am concerned he is an insult to the Carlton jumper and we would be better without him.

After ten years of this crap I have had enough.

Would love to see us play the final few matches without him, my bet is it would be exciting and other players would stand up. I also believe our team spirit would be much better.


Going on Gibbsy's comments early in the year the players love Fev.




I would hope so but his personality doesn't suggest that. He hasn't for ten years why will he now?

Body language on game day doesn't suggest that!


Player empowerment. As the boys grow into men, Fev will quickly pull his head in and abide to team rules.


Hasn't for ten years, why would he now.


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Is Fev the only bloke out of contract at this time of year?


No he's not.

But it has nothing to do with that. Fev is out of contract but why he gets so much media attention is because he brings it upon himself.

I don't understand some of you. This guy has buggered time after time and somehow we blame everyone else but the him

Are we talking about the same Brendan Fevola who was involved in some late night antics with a fire extinguisher in his very first years??

who was out late where players abused a dry cleaner??

the same guy who constantly bates his own team mates time and time again

the same guy who hangs his head on the footy field and lets his team mates down

the same guy with his never ending sooking for free kicks

the same guy who has been suspended many times

the same guy who has probably given away more 50 meter penalties than any other player at the club

the same guy who showed a legend of our no respect on one of our biggest nights

is this the same Brendan Fevola who pissed it up in Ireland and then man handled a barman for not serving him drinks

is this the same Brendan Fevola who cheated on his wife

the same Fevola who has not only disgraced himself but the club

the same guy who pissed on a shop front window

the same guy fabricating stories that he could walk out on his team mates for money

is this the same Fevola we are talking about who doesn't get a fair go??


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I agree with Caro's article, Maclures comments, Walls comments, Buckley's comments.

Four respected football people.


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This could be the one and only time that I agree with Melvey. Fev at his best is certainly a matchwinner, but at his worst sets a poor example for the concept that Ratts is trying to implement.

The club culture and team standards have to be adhered to! Why does Fev have to be the odd man out all the time? Should he be exempt? Should the rest of the group follow Fev or Ratts? Who is gunna take us to that elusive 17th?

I support Ratts/CFC to make the hard call. If it is to give Fev an ultimatum like "Piss or get off the pot", then the common denominator will have to pull his head in. It has been a long time coming.

For those of you who condone his behavior, well your upbringing must have also been in the WIIFM generation! :P

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Those that compare Jono Brown and Fevola stop embarrassing yourself in public. :oops:

Jono > Fevola by miles.

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Money Bags Fev. Hope he isn't trying to screw us.

The whispers are that his salary has not been agreed. They are telling the media it is the behavioural clauses that has stopped the deal from going through.

We need to leave room in the cap for the youngsters otherwise we won't be able to re-sign them when out of contract.


This was posted on June 18. Now we hear in the media that money is the issue straight from Ratten.

No wonder Ratten sounded frustrated if Fev and his managers have been haggling since mid June.

I am looking out for what Clayman has to say today and then we can read about it in August. :lol: Hope you start talking about premierships.

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