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What exactly is a 'home game' when it comes to this AFL fixture?

If you consider it a game in Melbourne, then the fixture and membership entry rights can be worked to maintain the current number of Melbourne games and play a 'home game' at the GC and anywhere else. Hawthorn do it.


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We need a proper social club area.


It's never going to happen. I learned the hard way a few years ago with the Social Club membership...

..As for the Gold Coast - brilliant! July or August please Swanny...
'Honey - pack your bags - we're going to the Gold Coast for the weekend'


Or even better....Honey, I've packed my bags, I'm off to the Gold Coast for the weekend!

Reminds me of that old joke:

Honey, I've won the lottery, pack your bags.
What should I pack for - warm or cold?
I don't care, just @#$%&! off!

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YES PLEASE... id love to have 3 games up here....we play up here once this year...round 21....

So im all for this idea...when we played at Carrara last year...we had more Carlton fans there than North did...gotta love that...

Plus ...we got to meet Diesel , Braddles , Matty Lappin , Jordan Russell and Gibbsy....we actually lost that game...but geeze it was good to meet the boys...especially the first two...

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The more I think of this today .... the more pissed off I get. :twisted:


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This is the bit which really pissed me off:

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The Blues recently drew 38,675 to their round eight game against the Brisbane Lions, but it is understood to have received only modest returns from that game — a fraction of what anchor tenant Essendon* and Collingwood would receive for the same turnout.

The Magpies, who play only two home games at Telstra Dome this season, are believed to be guaranteed $200,000 a home game at the Dome, regardless of the crowd. Essendon* has the best arrangement of all clubs at the Dome, with a clause in its contract stipulating that no club can receive a better deal.

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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
This is the bit which really pissed me off:

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The Blues recently drew 38,675 to their round eight game against the Brisbane Lions, but it is understood to have received only modest returns from that game — a fraction of what anchor tenant Essendon* and Collingwood would receive for the same turnout.

The Magpies, who play only two home games at Telstra Dome this season, are believed to be guaranteed $200,000 a home game at the Dome, regardless of the crowd. Essendon* has the best arrangement of all clubs at the Dome, with a clause in its contract stipulating that no club can receive a better deal.


Can someone please tell me again how we benefited by the move to TD?

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DownUnderChick wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
This is the bit which really pissed me off:

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The Blues recently drew 38,675 to their round eight game against the Brisbane Lions, but it is understood to have received only modest returns from that game — a fraction of what anchor tenant Essendon* and Collingwood would receive for the same turnout.

The Magpies, who play only two home games at Telstra Dome this season, are believed to be guaranteed $200,000 a home game at the Dome, regardless of the crowd. Essendon* has the best arrangement of all clubs at the Dome, with a clause in its contract stipulating that no club can receive a better deal.


Can someone please tell me again how we benefited by the move to TD?


To get a MCG only contract the club would have had to take the AFL to court.

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I HATE the idea of selling off our home games. Don't care whether we are talking about Gold Coast, Sydney or the bloody moon! I seem to recall the outcry on here when there was talk of selling home games under Smorgan, everybody was flithy. Why now the sudden change?

We are Carlton. We are a Melbourne club. We play our home games in Melbourne. End of story.

If we can't find other ways of making money, then the administration is not doing its job.

If we have a shit deal at the Dome (which clearly we do), then we have to live with that, or change it, but NOT by selling off our home games. Talk about diluting the fabric of over 100 years of history of this proud and might Club...FFS!

DUC, I pray you are right, that this is a ruse, leaked to the media, to renegotiate a better deal with the Dome, or a better split between Dome and MCG. If it is, then I applaud Swann.

If it is a genuine bid to sell off home games, then I am sorry, but this is a sad day for the Carlton Football Club.


Quoted for Truth!!!!

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What a bloody disgrace!

I thought we were past this rubbish when Smorgon left.

We are a Melbourne club, end of story. Clubs that sell their home games are pathetic.

Clubs that sell home games: StK, Melb, Kang, Footscray (Common denominator - SHIT FOOTBALL CLUBS)

Clubs that don't sell home games: Coll, Ess, WC, Man Utd, Liverpool, Real Madrid.


In which of the above 2 groups does Carlton belong? THE LATTER.

This is a disgrace and Siegfried is right: If the admin can;t find a better way to make money or extricate themselves from the TD contract - they're not doing their job. This is a cop out!


ALL CARLTON HOME GAMES IN MELBOURNE FOREVER!!!!

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Jarusa wrote:
DownUnderChick wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
This is the bit which really pissed me off:

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The Blues recently drew 38,675 to their round eight game against the Brisbane Lions, but it is understood to have received only modest returns from that game — a fraction of what anchor tenant Essendon* and Collingwood would receive for the same turnout.

The Magpies, who play only two home games at Telstra Dome this season, are believed to be guaranteed $200,000 a home game at the Dome, regardless of the crowd. Essendon* has the best arrangement of all clubs at the Dome, with a clause in its contract stipulating that no club can receive a better deal.


Can someone please tell me again how we benefited by the move to TD?


To get a MCG only contract the club would have had to take the AFL to court.


I was referring to the greater spread of home games at the G versus Hellstra Dome.

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DownUnderChick wrote:
Jarusa wrote:
DownUnderChick wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
This is the bit which really pissed me off:

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The Blues recently drew 38,675 to their round eight game against the Brisbane Lions, but it is understood to have received only modest returns from that game — a fraction of what anchor tenant Essendon* and Collingwood would receive for the same turnout.

The Magpies, who play only two home games at Telstra Dome this season, are believed to be guaranteed $200,000 a home game at the Dome, regardless of the crowd. Essendon* has the best arrangement of all clubs at the Dome, with a clause in its contract stipulating that no club can receive a better deal.


Can someone please tell me again how we benefited by the move to TD?


To get a MCG only contract the club would have had to take the AFL to court.


I was referring to the greater spread of home games at the G versus Hellstra Dome.


We got about $300k to pay out contracts at PP for moving to TD. We wouldn't have got that if we had more games at the MCG.

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Siegfried wrote:
I HATE the idea of selling off our home games. Don't care whether we are talking about Gold Coast, Sydney or the bloody moon! I seem to recall the outcry on here when there was talk of selling home games under Smorgan, everybody was flithy. Why now the sudden change?

We are Carlton. We are a Melbourne club. We play our home games in Melbourne. End of story.


completely agree

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Can't see the problem with this as a one-off move. It would be financially beneficial, it would get us away from Telstra Dome and (according to Synbad) members will receive compensation in their away game allocation.



This is not 'Thin edge of the wedge stuff'.


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DownUnderChick wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
This is the bit which really pissed me off:

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The Blues recently drew 38,675 to their round eight game against the Brisbane Lions, but it is understood to have received only modest returns from that game — a fraction of what anchor tenant Essendon* and Collingwood would receive for the same turnout.

The Magpies, who play only two home games at Telstra Dome this season, are believed to be guaranteed $200,000 a home game at the Dome, regardless of the crowd. Essendon* has the best arrangement of all clubs at the Dome, with a clause in its contract stipulating that no club can receive a better deal.


Can someone please tell me again how we benefited by the move to TD?


$2.5 mil lump sum at the signing of the agreement...



...then sweet f-all at the gate for every game up until 2010.


Which makes it all seem like a short term fix to our money issues back then.

The AFL will want to look after us, otherwise we'll GTFO of TD.


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We got about $300k to pay out contracts at PP for moving to TD. We wouldn't have got that if we had more games at the MCG.


I'm not a financial wizard but I think we would have made that up by now at the G instead of the hell. :roll:


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3 games on the Gold Coast next year?



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Same ol people willing to sell our sole!
I thought we where passed all of this ... think I'll go for a lye down. :cry:


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We got about $300k to pay out contracts at PP for moving to TD. We wouldn't have got that if we had more games at the MCG.


How quickly we forget about the prdicament we were in just 3 years ago; prior to Pratt.

We were broke!

There were rumours aplenty regarding folding, forced to move to the GC, further cutbacks in spending, not able to afford the minimum salary cap of 92.5%... Remember? We were balied out by the AFL to a tune of $1.5M.

Sure we got dudded by the AFL when they decided to favour the Dome development rather than sticking to their original plan of backing Princes Park as Melbourne's No, 2 AFL fixture, after the G. I guess that's part of the reason we got in this mess in the first place. Nevertheless we were in a big mess.

We got offered incentives to move our home to the Dome. No one held a gun to our head, but then again we were looking down the barrel, and we took whatever the offer was to get our hands on the upfront $2.5M to help reduce a debt we couldn't service.

What shits me is that Collo couldn't or wouldn't give us a deal at least equal to the ongoing Bombers deal; that's what shits me. As for crying now about the unattractive dividends we receive today from pulling a crowd at the Dome, that's pointless; it's done and we're stuck with it.

So any dealing to make more money from our games rather than break even or thereabouts at the Dome (as well as give them the shits back) makes good sense...well at least until the contract with the Dome ends.

I like the idea of watching Carlton in QLD. I make the effort to attend. The last game against the Roos was a great event and as mentioned by TrueQldBlue, the Carlton support was fantastic as it has always been for the Blues on the GC. I look forward to Round 21 too.

The weather's good, I have clients there and heaps of friends to catch up with and party. If I can go to 2 Carlton games in QLD each year, then I'm happy with that.

Would also like some focus/ attention of having the Blues play in Sydney; we're starved of Carlton games. This is a ridiculous situation. There should be at least 1 game in Sydney every year; no ifs or buts.

Having said that, post 2010, I still maintain that Carlton is the home of Melbourne is the home of Carlton. The bulk of its supporter/ membership base reside there and they should be treated with the respect they deserve; give them the maximum number of home games!

I have no problem travelling to Melbourne to watch the Blues, except that I can't attend every game. I enjoy going to Melbourne; it's a fantastic city...and it's my 'real' home.

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Same ol people willing to sell our sole!
I thought we where passed all of this ... think I'll go for a lye down. :cry:


I don't think its about selling our souls.

The club trying to make a point that we are getting and have been stitched up and at a desperate time admin made another poor decision that will hurt us for some tie to come

If we could earn 1.2 million playing 3 games on the gold coast compared to a return of 200k for 3 dome games why wouldn't you.

+ far greater exposure to sell to perspective sponsors

It would only be for 2 or 3 years and thats a return of 3.6 million compared to 600k


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