Was always my favourite...

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Jamison will undoubtedly become an 'A' grade player.

judd is in a league of his own.

stevens & fev is definitely a grade

murphy, simpson, gibbs, kreuzer, waite B+

Depends how you rate A graders. For me they have to be good in all aspects of the game (Kicking, Handballing, Marking, Tackling, Leadership etc) and be a consistent positive influence of the TEAM over a long period of time.

For me at this stage there is only Judd, and this is our weakness and why we have to get as many early picks as possible. To win a premiership we need atleast 3-4 of them.

(Geelong have Ablett, Bartel, Scarlett etc. WCE had Cousins, Cox, Judd, Kerr etc Sydney had Goodes, Kirk, Barry, Hall etc)

Fevola is close but lacks flexibility and consistency (even this year 70% of his goals have come in 4 games)

Murphy, Walker, Waite are next.

Gibbs, Kruezer, Browne have the potential to be.

Time will tell about guys like Jamison, Hampson, Anderson, Armfield, Grigg etc.

Stevens isn't even close, to many weaknesses in his game.

The rest are role players within the side that will play their part which is important but they are NOT A grade.

he is goign to be one of those players that everyone says

"how in the hell do carlton get him via the rookie draft"

on that, i reckon we have had some masive wins from out rookie draft.

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fev
judd
murphy (just)

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Murphy's finishing needs to be a whole lot better before he's A grade.

I love the kid but he has days (like last weekend) where it's just appalling.

Hopefully it won't be too far away.

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here's how i'd rank our list in terms of best 10 players right atm:

1-judd
2-fev
3-waite
4-stevo
5-gibbs
6-murphy
7-walker
8-simmo
9-carrazzo
10-jammo

out of that list, i'd say judd and fev are the only "A graders", with waite and stevo very very close. and then there's probably a big gap before some of the future A graders in gibbs, murphy and walker. i think simmo and carrazzo will always be good, handy B graders and jammo could be anything from A to D (probably very dependant on how his body holds up and how much he can improve).

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Id rate murphy ahead of Gibbs at this stage.

Murphy gets it a lot more and has the resposibilty of trying to find a forward amongst flooding defenders. Not easy thing to do when fev is demanding it with four on him. Makes more kicking errors than gibbs but gibbs makes a few also.

........THis is stupid. I love them both like sons.

A's
Judd
Fev
Stevens (he cops a fair bit from supporters but has that touch of class especially with a shot on goal, yes I realise he's not a Judd!)

B's
Murph
Gibbs
Waite
Simpson (underrated often)
Jamo
Walker
Fisher (most of the time)
Betts

If you dont have at least the potential to be a B grader you should be trade bait or moved on!

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Stevo and Fev ARE NOT A graders because they HAVE NOT been consistant in attitude and output.

If the B&F is anything to go by and I think this year it finally will atm Murphy is possibly 1 and at worst 2.

Top 22. Only Judd is an A grader in AFL terms. If Fev were to fix his attitude problems, he could be better and more damaging than Judd.

We'll have 5 genuine superstars by September 2009 and well and truely playing finals.

1 Judd
2 Fev
3 Murph
4 Stevo
5 Jamo
6 Gibba
7 Waite
8 Bentick
9 Kreuz
10 Carrazzo
11 Scotland
12 Simmo
13 Betts
14 Thornton
15 WIGGINS
16 Cloke
17 Hadley
18 Setant
19 Hammer
20 Grigg
21 Banno
22 Bower

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Judd, Fevola, Murphy, Stevens and Waite all A grade.
Gibbs, Walker and Kreuzer will be.

Hey............

has anyone mentioned Chris Judd...................?


kindest regards tommi

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Stevo's not A Grade.............

Why would he be??

He's tagged every game..
He's rated by all AFL coaches...
Uses the ball by foot and hand extremly well....
Is 4th on our goalkicking for the year....
Is 2nd on our disposals for the year....
Is 7th on our tackles for the year......
Is 4th on our contested possies for the year......
Is 2nd on our clearances for the year......
Is 2nd for insisde 50's for the year....

Nah i reckon he's a C-D at best

One problem is Steveo doesnt rank in the top 32 at the club for effective disposal percentage...dont know if its a glitch in the stats...but thats what it says

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Stevens is A-Grade.

But I am even more amazed that some people don't consider Fev to be A-Grade. He is one of the best players (let alone forwards) in the league. He has won and wins matches for Carlton off his own boot. He is probably the best kick for goal going around but also has the capacity to regularly produce what many people consider to be 'freakish' goals with outrageous snaps around the body from the impossible angle etc. In other words, he is a threat from anywhere on the field, and in any situation, within about 60m of goal. Barring injury/suspension he will kick over 80 goals (maybe 90) again this season. He quite simply is one of the most talented players playing today. What he does/has done off the field is irrelevant to his actual playing ability on the field. All it shows is that he may not be the smartest bloke going around. But he is an A-Grade footballer.

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How one define's an A grader will determine whether a player is or is not one.

Lets say we have 4 State team's; Victoria, SA, WA and Allies (made up of the best from NSW. Qld, NT, ACT and Tasmania).

Each of the above teams consist of 22 players each making the total 88 players.

There are 16 teams with lists of approx 45 each making up a total of 720 players to choose those 4 teams from.

So that's about 30% of all players making up the 4 State teams.

Does that imply that 30% of State players are A graders? They look like A graders, but if 30% of the total player pool are A graders that's awfully high isn't it? The only reason this could be possible is perhaps more plausible when we consider they are the cream of the 20,000 or so playing the game.

So what do we call an All Australian? A definete A Grader? Elite A?

Then, of those AA A graders what do you classify Judd, Brown, Ablett? Should Scarlett or Goodes or McLeod be in that group? What do we classify these players as? Surely greater than A. Gods? AAA players?

The reason I bring this up is because we have 3 players who represented Victoria (Judd, Fev, Waite), and Walker is an auto selection in the All Stars when fit. Does this make Judd, Fev, Waite and Walker our bonafide (unquestionable) A graders?

What should a team contesting for the Flag be made up of? Some C graders? What do you consider local TC hero Wiggins' rank? Some consider him as a necessity in out team and his type should be in any team fighting for a Flag. They may be right, but is he a C+ or a B- and why?

I have a team made up of who I consider as our A and B graders (either there now or have the potential to be) and I have players including Bower, Fish, Setanta and Houla on the fringe or perhaps B minus. Where do they fit? C graders? Do they have a place in the team playing for a flag in 2010 onwards. (Don't bother discussing Houla...it ends up a shit fight). I think they do, but I believe it's hard with the salary cap and draft system to have a team made up of A and B graders exclusively...now the father and son rule does change that a bit ala Geelong.

But in my A and B team I do include players like Hadley, Scotland, Stevens, Carrots, Thornton, Simmo, and despite their age Murphy, Gibbs, Betts, Jamo, Hampson and Kreuzer.

Where do players like Armfield, Anderson, Grigg fit?

I believe our list is so promising, we may just make up a team of 22 from only A and B graders in a couple of years time; say 2010. But that depends on what one considers an A and B grader to be.

One thing I do know, is I can't find a spot for Ackland on my C and D lists.

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