Talking Carlton Index Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington CFC Home CFC Membership CFC Shop CFC Fixture Blueseum
It is currently Thu Jun 26, 2025 12:03 am

All times are UTC + 10 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 476 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 ... 24  Next
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:18 am 
Offline
Herald Sun columnist
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:26 pm
Posts: 10018
Location: Visy Park
verbs wrote:
I hope Pratt stays on for the rest of this year and all of next year, and Smith feels increasingly irritated.


And staggered as well.

_________________
“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:21 am 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm
Posts: 63509
DownUnderChick wrote:
verbs wrote:
I hope Pratt stays on for the rest of this year and all of next year, and Smith feels increasingly irritated.


And staggered as well.


You never know....it might affect his blood pressure.....

_________________
And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:22 am 
Offline
Herald Sun columnist
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:26 pm
Posts: 10018
Location: Visy Park
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
DownUnderChick wrote:
verbs wrote:
I hope Pratt stays on for the rest of this year and all of next year, and Smith feels increasingly irritated.


And staggered as well.


You never know....it might affect his blood pressure.....


His blood being full of a different type of red.

If anything, his blood might ferment if he gets staggered. :shock:

_________________
“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:24 am 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm
Posts: 63509
DownUnderChick wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
DownUnderChick wrote:
verbs wrote:
I hope Pratt stays on for the rest of this year and all of next year, and Smith feels increasingly irritated.


And staggered as well.


You never know....it might affect his blood pressure.....


His blood being full of a different type of red.

If anything, his blood might ferment if he gets staggered. :shock:


If Smiths pops a fooffoo valve, I hope someone captures it and puts it on YouTube.

_________________
And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:28 am 
Offline
Mike Fitzpatrick
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:03 pm
Posts: 4251
Location: Around the Corner
Hmm... tough one. I love what has happened to the club since Dick has been there, I doubt anyone else could have delivered so much so quickly.

The question I find myself asking is - guilt or innocence aside, is the weight of public perception and debate too much? If so, should Sticks stand in as an acting president until this case is resolved one way or the other? If he's found innocent then he resumes his post, if not, his position is clearly untenable.

Like him or not (and I love him), the Carlton name is going to be at the receiving end of an almighty public flogging over this, and a lot of the headway made over the last 16 months is at jeopardy, particularly from a branding perspective and where the club wants to position itself. I know some people hate hearing about 'the brand' - but being able to define your off-field values in a certain light is key to attracting premium sponsors, just as much as onfield success.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:34 am 
Offline
Wayne Johnston
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:34 am
Posts: 8888
Location: 8888
Punter22 wrote:
Hmm... tough one. I love what has happened to the club since Dick has been there, I doubt anyone else could have delivered so much so quickly.

The question I find myself asking is - guilt or innocence aside, is the weight of public perception and debate too much? If so, should Sticks stand in as an acting president until this case is resolved one way or the other? If he's found innocent then he resumes his post, if not, his position is clearly untenable.

Like him or not (and I love him), the Carlton name is going to be at the receiving end of an almighty public flogging over this, and a lot of the headway made over the last 16 months is at jeopardy, particularly from a branding perspective and where the club wants to position itself. I know some people hate hearing about 'the brand' - but being able to define your off-field values in a certain light is key to attracting premium sponsors, just as much as onfield success.


Like I said before, the Carlton name receives a flogging no matter who is charge. When people hate you they will find anything to bring you down.

Does 40k members + represent a poor brand name?

Does record sponsorship represent a poor brand name?

I don't think so. Smorgon and Collo had the poor brand name to themselves.

_________________
Mjonc signing off at 8888


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: A contrary view
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:56 am 
Offline
Craig Bradley

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:38 pm
Posts: 7640
These are extremely serious criminal charges and whilst not PRE-EMPTING guilt or innocence I think Dick Pratt should stand aside from the Carlton Board NOT RESIGN today
Once the charges are dealt with hopefully he is cleared and then he takes his place back on the board
Board should make an interim president from its existing numbers but appoint the person on to the board who would be Richards ultimate successor


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: A contrary view
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:01 am 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:23 am
Posts: 48684
Location: Canberra
frank dardew wrote:
These are extremely serious criminal charges and whilst not PRE-EMPTING guilt or innocence I think Dick Pratt should stand aside from the Carlton Board NOT RESIGN today
Once the charges are dealt with hopefully he is cleared and then he takes his place back on the board
Board should make an interim president from its existing numbers but appoint the person on to the board who would be Richards ultimate successor


I think that would be a sensible course of action.

_________________
Click here to follow TalkingCarlton on twitter
TalkingCarlton Posting Rules


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:01 am 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 6:31 pm
Posts: 24457
Location: Heartbroken
I'm over the moon that my tax dollars are funding another ACCC witch hunt.

When was the last time this irrelevant organisation did anything that benefits the common man?

_________________
Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:01 am 
Offline
Robert Walls
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:18 pm
Posts: 3411
Location: East Perth, WA
7dominator wrote:

We are now hearing the old cheating in 1993-1995 story coming out.No word of the involvement of Samuels chum Evans , the one time leader of another serial rorting Club. That also ignores the moratorium for ALL clubs at the time!

Evans and Essendon*( including supporters such as Smith) conveniently forgot this.

Perhaps some good investigative reporter should ask David Shaw the former Essendon* Committeeman about his role as the fall guy at the time?


What's all this? It seems like it should be bigger news relating to AFL than this Dick Pratt beat up.....

_________________
when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth

Feelgood Hit of the Winter - GHRP-2, GHRP-6, CJC-1295, AOD-9604, Humanofort and Hexarelin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:03 am 
Offline
Stephen Silvagni
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:04 am
Posts: 28377
Location: *Currently banned*
Carlton press conference at 11.30am.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:03 am 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:23 am
Posts: 48684
Location: Canberra
verbs wrote:
Carlton press conference at 11.30am.


Hmm.

_________________
Click here to follow TalkingCarlton on twitter
TalkingCarlton Posting Rules


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: A contrary view
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:04 am 
Offline
Stephen Silvagni
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:04 am
Posts: 28377
Location: *Currently banned*
camelboy wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
These are extremely serious criminal charges and whilst not PRE-EMPTING guilt or innocence I think Dick Pratt should stand aside from the Carlton Board NOT RESIGN today
Once the charges are dealt with hopefully he is cleared and then he takes his place back on the board
Board should make an interim president from its existing numbers but appoint the person on to the board who would be Richards ultimate successor


I think that would be a sensible course of action.


The case could take several years though.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:05 am 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 6:31 pm
Posts: 24457
Location: Heartbroken
Hopefully it's to announce that we think the ACCC is a corrupt organisation that does nothing more than waste taxpayer dollars on petty vendettas.

_________________
Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:07 am 
Offline
Mike Fitzpatrick
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:03 pm
Posts: 4251
Location: Around the Corner
mjonc wrote:
Punter22 wrote:
Hmm... tough one. I love what has happened to the club since Dick has been there, I doubt anyone else could have delivered so much so quickly.

The question I find myself asking is - guilt or innocence aside, is the weight of public perception and debate too much? If so, should Sticks stand in as an acting president until this case is resolved one way or the other? If he's found innocent then he resumes his post, if not, his position is clearly untenable.

Like him or not (and I love him), the Carlton name is going to be at the receiving end of an almighty public flogging over this, and a lot of the headway made over the last 16 months is at jeopardy, particularly from a branding perspective and where the club wants to position itself. I know some people hate hearing about 'the brand' - but being able to define your off-field values in a certain light is key to attracting premium sponsors, just as much as onfield success.


Like I said before, the Carlton name receives a flogging no matter who is charge. When people hate you they will find anything to bring you down.

Does 40k members + represent a poor brand name?

Does record sponsorship represent a poor brand name?

I don't think so. Smorgon and Collo had the poor brand name to themselves.



I'm not talking about opposition supporters ringing up SEN and spouting ill-informed tripe. I'm talking about global, industry leading corporations wanting to be identified with a club whose president's name is being dragged through the courts and having every blow detailed in national press. The coverage of this is going to be that much more comprehensive and prominent simply because he's the Carlton president and the papers know that football is an emotive topic - without the Carlton connection this story would be buried in the business section, not splashed over the front page of the Hun.

I seriously doubt any supporter would leave the club over this, and nor should they. Similarly, I wouldn't blame every supporter for wanting Dick to stay on (a large part of me does). But to dismiss the impact this could have on the club simply because we love Dick as president is dangerous. I don't think a 'We're Carlton flower the rest' attitude is going to work with this one.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:07 am 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am
Posts: 35135
Paper tiger.

_________________
"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: A contrary view
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:10 am 
Offline
Mike Fitzpatrick
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:03 pm
Posts: 4251
Location: Around the Corner
camelboy wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
These are extremely serious criminal charges and whilst not PRE-EMPTING guilt or innocence I think Dick Pratt should stand aside from the Carlton Board NOT RESIGN today
Once the charges are dealt with hopefully he is cleared and then he takes his place back on the board
Board should make an interim president from its existing numbers but appoint the person on to the board who would be Richards ultimate successor


I think that would be a sensible course of action.


Yep.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:12 am 
Offline
Robert Walls
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:46 am
Posts: 3509
Location: Brisbane
As a member, I fully support Dick Pratt as President of the Carlton Football Club, and 100% hope he beats the charges.

That said, I think the sensible thing is for him to stand aside for the course of this trial. I'll be interested to see what the Press Conference says.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: A contrary view
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:13 am 
Offline
Horrie Clover

Joined: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:03 pm
Posts: 357
frank dardew wrote:
These are extremely serious criminal charges and whilst not PRE-EMPTING guilt or innocence I think Dick Pratt should stand aside from the Carlton Board NOT RESIGN today
Once the charges are dealt with hopefully he is cleared and then he takes his place back on the board
Board should make an interim president from its existing numbers but appoint the person on to the board who would be Richards ultimate successor



This post is correct. If we were discussing any other club's president, we would expect their president to at least stand aside under the same circumstances.

Considering what Richard Pratt has done for our club over the last fifty years, I will respect whatever decision he makes about the presidency, but I'd be surprised (especially when considering he had the character to hand back his honours) if he didn't voluntarily step aside.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Verbs
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:15 am 
Offline
Craig Bradley

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:38 pm
Posts: 7640
Understand case will take years but its a good compromise position - Richard doesnt actually resign but indicates he is taking the matter seriously - the club is seen to be doing something but doesnt make him resign so its still very supportive
In the interim Dick doesnt have formal role in governance of club but can continue to support financially and in other ways
Enables an ultimate successor to Dick to have time to be on the board as a director before in the future taking the reins


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 476 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 ... 24  Next

All times are UTC + 10 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 53 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group