Grigg made a couple of mistakes - but guess what, he is a young player and he's going to make mistakes. Why do people keep expecting players with less than 30-50 games experience to come in and consistently make right decisions?

Bower is gradually getting better with experience. He made countless errors last year and a few games earlier this year but you can see he is getting better and not making as many mistakes. Stop expecting the world from young, inexperienced players.

The same people bagging Russell would be complaining that he wasn't getting an extended run in the seniors. He is getting that opportunity and slowly he is improving.

murph doesnt play like that every week...he gets more of the footy than russell and is consistantly more effective than JR

Very good post.

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For the record, Carrots was excellent today. I cannot understand why someone puts him as a con and Russell a pro.

Browne a con? Are you for real? He went in hard, kicked a vital goal (showed composure and maturity), understands the game by working hard to get into position and his disposal was excellent - bar one mongrel on the boundary around the 50m arc. He was working his way to a NRS before getting injured. He has the smarts and the endeavour - going to be a star.

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Sorry thought we were talking about round 6!?

admit it....russell isnt up to afl standards

I agree Setanta and Banno were almost non existant today

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read on...i said he could be dropped and hasnt cemented his spot in the team(same with banno and setanta)...he was good, not great.

PROS:
-Browne i thought was really good
-Russell really did do a good job. His tackling and pressure and hard ball gets were brilliant. Only his kicking at goal was terrible.
-Bentick i thought really stood up. Again he was a hard tackler.
-We did pretty good with Judd, Fev not firing...
-defence shouldn't have conceded 100 points...they did pretty well

CONS:
-Delivery to fev
-Grigg's decision making is so terrible. Every time he disposed of the ball, it put his team mate in trouble.
-Umps in the last quarter
-the free kick against gibbs when he spoiled the ball front on
-injuries
-easy misses...Grigg again

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im being realistic...you like the players too much

Thats a Pro. What a stupid thing to do.

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Er...no, I will not admit it. JR is still learning and developing as an AFL player. He hasn't got forever, but I think he is showing enough for us to persist with him for a bit longer yet. He is 21 and has played 34 games.

I can't work out what you're trying to say about O'hAilpin & Bannister. What do they have to do with today's loss? Do you expect every player to be a champion? And Bannister WAS playing consistently before he got injured.

Browne may well be in and out of the team a bit in his first few seasons - so what? So should we get rid of him? Not put any AFL games into him while he's learning? Do you expect players to come straight into the AFL and dominate? He will take time to develop, as will Bower and Grigg. I'm concerned about Browne's lack of leg speed, but otherwise think he looks promising.

I think you need to be patient and understand that it takes about 60 games before most guys become consistent AFL players.

That's why, with our list being as young as it is, it won't be until 2011 that we will be a genuine premiership threat. Swann said as much on SEN this morning.

In the meantime, enjoy watching our young guys learn, grow and develop....and accept that inconsistency and mistakes will happen until then. As long as they give 100% and show gradual improvement, I'll be satisfied.

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

It's a person like you that sat behind me in the 94 final when we lost to Geelong at Waverley and said that Ratten was a dud and would never amount to anything.

Ratten was 5 years into his career at that stage.

Some of our kids might not make it, but guys like Bower, Grigg, Russell are playing better footy now that they did in their first few games. As Club 29 said Bradley is working with Russell and that's good enough for me. If Russell gets his head right he has all the football attributes to be a decent player for us.

We lost today because we got smashed in the ruck. Pure and simple.

Interesting reading here
Pros
Murphy
Simpson
Browne(second quarter) is obviously a smart player
Bower was good today
Stevo(yes troy bond and game in the cons)
Waite
Jamison
We didnt turn it up and kept trying with 20 fit man which invariably stuffs you if you lose 2 guys early. I thought our defence was good.



Cons
Russell as per usual gets a lot of discussion here. How anyone can put him in the pros must have been pissed. Yes did some good things , was more involved in the game but his kicking and decision making were absolutely shit and cost us. Will probably get a game against the Weagles because of injuries but is not up to it. Selection 9 or not

Gibbs Was picked so assume back was ok.
Was ordinary. For someone who was no 1 pick, his kicking and decision making were terrible . maybe he needs to play midfield to show what he is capable of. IMO overall a touch disappointing given the enormous raps on him. Put it this way shouldnt play in defence.

Bentick Trys his guts out but not up to it because to be his size and be that slow you have to be special. Bentick got a fair bit of the pill but the game is too fast for him.

Hartlett Was sitting near where he did the hammy. Club need to find a radical teatment alah Rooke last year. We are playing one player short. with this guy on the list.


Grigg Agree with the poster about sheperding. Also no right side . Use Simmo as an example.

Fisher Has developed into a one trick pony. Too slow . Poor kick. Needs to play deeper and develop more strings to his bow


Smashed in the clearences. Need Hammer to come in. Hope he plays well tomorrow. I hope jacobs gets fit and gets elevated. Kreuzer is obviously a ruck rover rathe than a ruckman.


Too much chippy chip kicking. Ok to bang it to a contest sometimes

Umpiring in the second half. Bad for both sides.

Pros
* Tackling and intensity 1sr Qtr
* Browne looks like he was made for this level
* Bower is becoming a very good defender
* Waites spoiling, it is fantastic

Cons
* Russell had the chance to stamp himself on the game in the 3rd qtr after a great tackle. Kicks into the man on the mark. Critical moment of the game.
* Unable to break Adelaide's zone after Qtr 1
* We got slaughtered in hit outs and clearnaces after Qtr 1

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I doubt that, considering his form for the bullants was ordinary before he got in the seniors to begin with.

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he's been developing and learning for 4 years and isnt getting any better...time to go imho

they're always in and out of the team. im using them as examples of players like bentick and jr that arent consistently in the team.

im just saying that he'll be in and out....nothing more. im not saying any of those things.

i know its gonna take a long time...getting rid of JR players is the first step

I remember countless posts last year saying he wasn't getting enough time on ground or a run of games even if his form didn't warrant it.

He is improving however so should stay in the team.

bower will be a good player, grigg probs not, russell...defs not