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Perhaps a large board can function effectively in some circumstances but the following quote from Swann indicates otherwise.

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"There are a few numbers on the board - a hangover from the Graham Smorgon days - so we'll work through that in the New Year."


I'm sure that any current board members would be available to assist and offer their services as required. They shouldnt need to be an elected board member to be of value to the club.


Some of them have refused to step off... some have received phone calls to move away... but you can bet youre bottom dollar the real pressure has not begun yet...

Amazing how some of them think theyre crucial...


and when it does they best walk away like good little boys and keep their traps shut....one "5 to midnight" was enough to last this club for the next 1000 years.


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great rid of some trash off the board like wilson and carr next year to get Fahour on


Why do you want to get rid of Wilson. While we do not want a board full of lawyers, I still think we can definitely use one. Wilson, as a QC, should stay in my opinion. He's done a pretty good job this year, and has been promoting the club for over a decade.


If he were a decent lawyer he would have had a crack at the AFL last year regarding our missed priority pick.
The guy is dead wood....move on


psml .. the ignorance of it all 8) ....... what makes you think that the price to pay to achieve the objective was worth the potential outcome ffs.. have a lay down and read a book 8)


Weren't you the one pushing for smorgon in last years election????


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Synbad wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Perhaps a large board can function effectively in some circumstances but the following quote from Swann indicates otherwise.

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"There are a few numbers on the board - a hangover from the Graham Smorgon days - so we'll work through that in the New Year."


I'm sure that any current board members would be available to assist and offer their services as required. They shouldnt need to be an elected board member to be of value to the club.


Some of them have refused to step off... some have received phone calls to move away... but you can bet youre bottom dollar the real pressure has not begun yet...

Amazing how some of them think theyre crucial...


Interesting. Can you say who? I am not doubting what you're saying, but I would like you to back it up with some names. Who are the one's that have received phone calls, and who was it that deemed those phone calls should have been made? (Pratt, Swann, ?). I don't mean this to sound sarcastic, as I do believe you that there has been pressure for some to step off. I'm just curious as to who.


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Hmm ..no response from Moulton or Harrison here yet ...must be trouble brewing..... :?

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i find it hard to believe that the key driver behind any board reduction is purely based on numbers .... there is no magic number

so the question i would like answered, if those in the know would be kind enough to share, is why is there a push to reduce the board

are there some passengers? the board members, as I understand it, are not paid for their contribution or time .. so it is not a cost issue.

Is it because there are other better candidates available for the board and they will not come onto the board until others have left?

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Hmm ..no response from Moulton or Harrison here yet ...must be trouble brewing..... :?


......or may be 10 or 12 other reasons as to why they haven't posted. It is the holiday season after all.

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Sticks , Lee Wilson and Newton have all just been re- elected un opposed -
They could have quite easily reduced the board numbers here - Its obvious it's not them 4 they want off

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Sticks , Lee Wilson and Newton have all just been re- elected un opposed -
They could have quite easily reduced the board numbers here - Its obvious it's not them 4 they want off


Why is it obvious???

2 of them would be safe... 1 a maybe but definitely not safe...and 1 is a candidate to play Humpty Dumpty..

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Synbad wrote:
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Sticks , Lee Wilson and Newton have all just been re- elected un opposed -
They could have quite easily reduced the board numbers here - Its obvious it's not them 4 they want off


Why is it obvious???

2 of them would be safe... 1 a maybe but definitely not safe...and 1 is a candidate to play Humpty Dumpty..


Unless they have just decided to decrease the size of the board then why if you wanted to reduce it a month ago would you reelect four members back on to the board if you didn't want them there.

That's seems on the surface to be pretty obvious to me

But maybe you have a different theory Osama :P

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Sydney Blue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
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Sticks , Lee Wilson and Newton have all just been re- elected un opposed -
They could have quite easily reduced the board numbers here - Its obvious it's not them 4 they want off


Why is it obvious???

2 of them would be safe... 1 a maybe but definitely not safe...and 1 is a candidate to play Humpty Dumpty..


Unless they have just decided to decrease the size of the board then why if you wanted to reduce it a month ago would you reelect four members back on to the board if you didn't want them there.

That's seems on the surface to be pretty obvious to me

But maybe you have a different theory Osama :P

Because some of them are stubborn and it may look bad????


Maybe???

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Rhys26 wrote:
DenimUndies wrote:
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great rid of some trash off the board like wilson and carr next year to get Fahour on


Why do you want to get rid of Wilson. While we do not want a board full of lawyers, I still think we can definitely use one. Wilson, as a QC, should stay in my opinion. He's done a pretty good job this year, and has been promoting the club for over a decade.


If he were a decent lawyer he would have had a crack at the AFL last year regarding our missed priority pick.
The guy is dead wood....move on


psml .. the ignorance of it all 8) ....... what makes you think that the price to pay to achieve the objective was worth the potential outcome ffs.. have a lay down and read a book 8)


Weren't you the one pushing for smorgon in last years election????


Yes I was ..... I dont follow wishful thinking when making decisions. In this case it worked out luckily but you certainly dont want to making choices continuously on the hope of a white knight.. and back to the reasoning in your initial statement it stinks of naiveness ... happy new year xoxo 8)


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DenimUndies wrote:
Rhys26 wrote:
DenimUndies wrote:
Rhys26 wrote:
Barack Obama wrote:
Rhys26 wrote:
great rid of some trash off the board like wilson and carr next year to get Fahour on


Why do you want to get rid of Wilson. While we do not want a board full of lawyers, I still think we can definitely use one. Wilson, as a QC, should stay in my opinion. He's done a pretty good job this year, and has been promoting the club for over a decade.


If he were a decent lawyer he would have had a crack at the AFL last year regarding our missed priority pick.
The guy is dead wood....move on


psml .. the ignorance of it all 8) ....... what makes you think that the price to pay to achieve the objective was worth the potential outcome ffs.. have a lay down and read a book 8)


Weren't you the one pushing for smorgon in last years election????


Yes I was ..... I dont follow wishful thinking when making decisions. In this case it worked out luckily but you certainly dont want to making choices continuously on the hope of a white knight.. and back to the reasoning in your initial statement it stinks of naiveness ... happy new year xoxo 8)




its certainly lucky not everybody thoght like you....

imagine???? :lol: :wink:

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Synbad wrote:
DenimUndies wrote:
Rhys26 wrote:
DenimUndies wrote:
Rhys26 wrote:
Barack Obama wrote:
Rhys26 wrote:
great rid of some trash off the board like wilson and carr next year to get Fahour on


Why do you want to get rid of Wilson. While we do not want a board full of lawyers, I still think we can definitely use one. Wilson, as a QC, should stay in my opinion. He's done a pretty good job this year, and has been promoting the club for over a decade.


If he were a decent lawyer he would have had a crack at the AFL last year regarding our missed priority pick.
The guy is dead wood....move on


psml .. the ignorance of it all 8) ....... what makes you think that the price to pay to achieve the objective was worth the potential outcome ffs.. have a lay down and read a book 8)


Weren't you the one pushing for smorgon in last years election????


Yes I was ..... I dont follow wishful thinking when making decisions. In this case it worked out luckily but you certainly dont want to making choices continuously on the hope of a white knight.. and back to the reasoning in your initial statement it stinks of naiveness ... happy new year xoxo 8)




its certainly lucky not everybody thoght like you....

imagine???? :lol: :wink:


How flowering right you are.. it was one of those occasions in life when you say im Flowering glad that logic didn't prevail and things turned out the way they did. Thank flowering goodness no one listened .. other than lobbying strenuously to having that largest pain in the rectum to ever grace a football club board ie "5 to midnight" "I was to shocked to remember" removed I was otherwise and Gladly way off the mark :-D


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DenimUndies wrote:
.. it was one of those occasions in life when you say im Flowering glad that logic didn't prevail and things turned out the way they did.

There's no logic in continuing to support a hopelessly failing board.
There was no choice.

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Cazzesman wrote:
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Hmm ..no response from Moulton or Harrison here yet ...must be trouble brewing..... :?


......or may be 10 or 12 other reasons as to why they haven't posted. It is the holiday season after all.

Regards Cazzesman


Yeah....



naaaa ... there's trouble I reckon...

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budzy wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
budzy wrote:
Hmm ..no response from Moulton or Harrison here yet ...must be trouble brewing..... :?


......or may be 10 or 12 other reasons as to why they haven't posted. It is the holiday season after all.

Regards Cazzesman


Yeah....



naaaa ... there's trouble I reckon...





I don't understand what the fuss is all about. Trouble brewing?? We have just concluded an election and AGM and all 13 board directors have been elected by the members. The next election will be in December 2008 when one third of the Board will stand for election (4 people). No one can be forced to stand down, it simply doesn't happen. The only time I can recall in recent years that someone resigned/retired under pressure was Marcus Rose. The Board is large in number and no doubt it will reduce over time as people retire. However, as we have an excellent CEO and administration, the Board is not involved in the running of the Club (not like it used to be).

Finally, I wanted to comment on Barack Obama's statements about a lawyer's ability to run a business as much has been said on this thread about a certain barrister. There are three lawyers on the Board, Simon Wilson QC, Marcus Clarke and myself. Both Simon and Marcus are barristers (sole business practitioners) and both excellent at their trade. Fortunately, there have been few legal issues to deal with during 2007 (unlike other years). I am a solicitor and Chairman of my firm. From 1994 to 2004 I was Managing Partner and CEO and became Chairman when we appointed an external CEO in 2004. My firm spans three states and has in excess of 150 staff with a turnover greater than CFC. Whilst not offended by previous comments on this thread, I wanted to point out that I brought more than pure legal experience to the table when I joined the Board and apart from having introduced sponsors and hospitality users to the Club I have set up the finance broking business that has recently started. Apologies if this sounds defensive but I simply wanted to state my position.

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Thanks Stephen...I don't think it is defensive at all....just trying to clear up a few misconceptions....or maybe enlighten few trouble-makers?....

Unbelievable I know, but there does seem to be a few of them from time to time. 8)


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Thanks Stephen. It's always nice to receive clarifications from the board.

If nothing else, it assists with transparency for the supporters.


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Stephen

My question is, why would the board not vote in favour to get Fahour on the board. Surely someone of his ilk would be beneficial to the club.

We have reportedly been trying to get him on board for years.

Why not get him on ?? This is what I don't understand.


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