Updated poll - To tank or not to tank???

Kouta · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:44 am

Rohan Connelly's updated round 22 ladder.

The coaching staff and the players won't tank.

It would be funny if we tried to tank the last game and drew the game. :lol:

Kouta · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:57 am

Do you think we're a chance to beat Melbourne with Fevola playing?

They should add Neitz, Green, Johnstone and Bruce to the team that beat us and will kick a bag of goals against our backline. The only danger I see is Fevola coming out and kicking eight goals against Carroll.

We've lost Hartlett and might lose Walker's 21 touches from that game.

Dump the priority pick - Mike Sheahan

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The Blues are drawn to play Melbourne at the MCG in a twilight fixture on September 2, the last of 176 home-and-away games.

Melbourne, God forbid, might be so bad by then that Carlton might win simply by turning up.

Free. For nothing. Without any penalty in the draft proper.

Of course we don't deserve a PP when we've won qualified for a PP four times since 2002. :shock:

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the top three after Round 17, all have earned their success without special benefits.

As have Sydney and Essendon* at seventh and eighth.

Essendon* stole Michael who was contracted to the Lions this year and had a PP in the superdraft.

But that doesn't suit your argument! :roll:

Garry Lyon: Do Blues need a win ... or a Riewoldt?

Nicko Carstairs · **Joined:** Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:02 am **Posts:** 629

They need a Kruezer and an Ebert, Gary.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:52 am

BlueIce wrote:

Do you think we're a chance to beat Melbourne with Fevola playing?

They should add Neitz, Green, Johnstone and Bruce to the team that beat us and will kick a bag of goals against our backline. The only danger I see is Fevola coming out and kicking eight goals against Carroll.

We've lost Hartlett and might lose Walker's 21 touches from that game.

Dump the priority pick - Mike Sheahan

Quote:

The Blues are drawn to play Melbourne at the MCG in a twilight fixture on September 2, the last of 176 home-and-away games.

Melbourne, God forbid, might be so bad by then that Carlton might win simply by turning up.

Free. For nothing. Without any penalty in the draft proper.

Of course we don't deserve a PP when we've won qualified for a PP four times since 2002. :shock:

Quote:

the top three after Round 17, all have earned their success without special benefits.

As have Sydney and Essendon* at seventh and eighth.

Essendon* stole Michael who was contracted to the Lions this year and had a PP in the superdraft.

But that doesn't suit your argument! :roll:

Garry Lyon: Do Blues need a win ... or a Riewoldt?

Despite some of the finer details, the general point of those articles is bang on.

We've been discussing it on here for years now, and more closely related to 2007 when you have a situation where Richmond fans want Carlton to win and Carlton fans want Carlton to lose it's pretty clear that something has gone tits up in this competition.

Make hay while the sun shines...

dannyboy · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:57 am

how the hell are we going to lose to melbourne?

Not a chance. Forget it, we'll beat them just by turning up.

tommi · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:59 am

I tell yas..................

all we have to do to beat Melbourne is turn up...............!

kindest regards tommi

verbs · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:22 am

Collingwood, Port and North should beat us easily.

Essendon* should be too strong too.

Round 22 will have Richmond barracking for Carlton, Melbourne barracking for Carlton and Carlton barracking for Melbourne.

Richmond want the number 1 draft choice. Carlton also wants the number 1 draft choice. Melbourne wants number 2 whilst Richmond would rather not have number 2. Carlton doesn't want number 3, but will be happy with number 4. Melbourne aren't all that keen on 3 either, as they'd prefer 2.

JohnM · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:26 am

So Carlton supporters will be barracking for Melbourne, but we don't know any of the players names and will have to call them by their jumper numbers... so what you're saying is that the atmosphere will be just like any other Melbourne match.

Jarusa · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 23123

The fact is at the moment the majority of supporters and most likely administrators at the club want us to lose the last five games.

The players and coaches obviously do not.

However, the players and the coaches are in contact with supporters quite often and they would know what the majority of the supporter base is thinking. While this would not prevent players and coaches from trying to win you would have to imagine that knowing that so many people do not want you to win would have to weigh on the back of their minds and take an edge off their performance, no matter how small.

Indie · **Joined:** Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:28 am **Posts:** 1073

Sheahan article: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,%255E20123,00.html

Lyon article: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,%255E20121,00.html

Shhh! Make sure Marciblue doesn't see these articles :lol:

Mike Sheahan wrote:

As positive as it might be in principle, it is fatally flawed in practice and has to go.

It has turned the second half of Carlton's season into farce, with the administration and probably the majority of the club's supporters happy, even keen, to continue losing.

Virtually everyone connected to the club - players aside - got what they wanted at the weekend: a respectable 10-point loss to St Kilda at Telstra Dome.

With five rounds remaining, Carlton collectively wants nothing more than another five gallant losses.

Garry Lyon wrote:

Almost everyone acknowledges the benefit of Carlton not winning another game, except the competition lawmakers.

That's not healthy. It is not fair on the coaches, players or the administration set to benefit from not winning, either.

Last week it was reported that Brendan Fevola had a 13cm tear in his quad and could miss the rest of the season. At his insistence the scan was reviewed. Fevola played at the weekend, kicking five goals.

Not, however, before rumours the Blues were more than happy to accept the first diagnosis, decreasing the likelihood they would have to endure an unwelcome victory.

Carlton doesn't need to deal with that sort of gossip but the drafting qualifications lend themselves to such hearsay.

The football public are not stupid. They are already talking about the Round 22 clash between the Blues and Melbourne.

Indie · **Joined:** Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:28 am **Posts:** 1073

Interesting conspiracy theory regarding Fev's injury. Surprise, surprise, Fev didn't play along with it. A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat :lol:

ScottSaunders · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:36 pm

do what they want after the years end, but if they change the rules again, the i hope the club takes the competition to the flower cleaners.

for whats its worth, i reckon a win against the filth is not out of the question.

Essendon* "need to win to make finals" pencil in another win for the blues, so we are a certainty.

Melbourne on the last game of the season, looks as if we will walk it in.

There is 7 wins for the season. No Kreuzer.

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:14 pm

Lappin and Whitnall to retire too?

AGRO · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:18 pm

Indie wrote:

Sheahan article: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,%255E20123,00.html

Lyon article: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,%255E20121,00.html

Shhh! Make sure Marciblue doesn't see these articles :lol:

Mike Sheahan wrote:

As positive as it might be in principle, it is fatally flawed in practice and has to go.

It has turned the second half of Carlton's season into farce, with the administration and probably the majority of the club's supporters happy, even keen, to continue losing.

Virtually everyone connected to the club - players aside - got what they wanted at the weekend: a respectable 10-point loss to St Kilda at Telstra Dome.

With five rounds remaining, Carlton collectively wants nothing more than another five gallant losses.

Garry Lyon wrote:

Almost everyone acknowledges the benefit of Carlton not winning another game, except the competition lawmakers.

That's not healthy. It is not fair on the coaches, players or the administration set to benefit from not winning, either.

Last week it was reported that Brendan Fevola had a 13cm tear in his quad and could miss the rest of the season. At his insistence the scan was reviewed. Fevola played at the weekend, kicking five goals.

Not, however, before rumours the Blues were more than happy to accept the first diagnosis, decreasing the likelihood they would have to endure an unwelcome victory.

Carlton doesn't need to deal with that sort of gossip but the drafting qualifications lend themselves to such hearsay.

The football public are not stupid. They are already talking about the Round 22 clash between the Blues and Melbourne.

What turned the competition into a farce was the manifestly stupid and vindictive penalties inflicted on us by the AFL Commission in 2002. When we went to Black Friday with a new Board and clean hands and were penalized back into the Stone Age.

Then the bunch of vindictive tosspots changed the criteria of the PP when we clearly had the worst @#$%&! list in the AFL during seasons 2005 and 2006 and in fact inflicted quasi draft penalties on us again by giving us Pick 1, 17 and 19 when we should have had Pick 1 , 3 and 19.

So now when we are on the cusp of a well deserved Priority Pick - these bleeding @#$%&! hearts in Lyon and Sheahan and Russell and Fatprick - get all religious and talk about how we dont deserve it, how it is flowering up the competition.

AFL introduced socialism - then made sure they sent us to the @#$%&! GULAG - so they can all take a flowering jump to flowering hell and join their former AFL Chairman.

:evil:

Electric Blue · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:12 am **Posts:** 10076

Quote:

The club also gets "free agency" to sign any out-of-contract footballer in the land in the pre-season draft.

Whoah!

If we have the number 1 draft pick as PP, do we get the #1 PSD?? :shock:

if thats true we would also have 1st pick in the rookie draft?

I havent seen this addressed anywhere yet!

jezzarules · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:09 pm **Posts:** 5997

Posted elsewhere but worth repeating:
My ideal draft order would be that each team outside the eight gets a pick in turn after the first round.
In other words only the eight teams ranked 9 to 16 take part in round two of the draft.
By doing away with priority picks per-se, teams outside the eight will all get one extra pick ahead of those who make the finals.
But there would not be a games threshold beyond which a teams goes from getting a pick there to no pick at all as per the current system.
If teams lower down win games later in the year they will just bump back a slot or two if they over-take other teams on the ladder.
The perception of 'tanking' stems purely from the significance of that 5th win.
If the difference between 3,4,5,6 wins in terms of draft picks is made more subtle then the notion of tanking disappears - perceived and real.

So this is how it would work:

Round one
1 - 16th
2 - 15th
3 - 14th
4 - 13th
5 - 12th
6 - 11th
7 - 10th
8 - 9th
9 - 8th
10 - 7th
11 - 6th
12 - 5th
13 - 4th
14 - 3rd
15 - 2nd
16 - 1st

Round Two
17 - 16th
18 - 15th
19 - 14th
20 - 13th
21 - 12th
22 - 11th
23 - 10th
24 - 9th

Round Three
25 - 16th
26 - 15th
27 - 14th
28 - 13th
29 - 12th
30 - 11th
31 - 10th
32 - 9th
33 - 8th
34 - 7th
35 - 6th
36 - 5th
37 - 4th
38 - 3rd
39 - 2nd
40 - 1st

JohnM · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:53 pm

don't mind that at all.

Donstuie · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:00 pm

Works for me.

Jarusa · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 23123

Love it.

But I'll hate it when Carlton starts playing finals.

AGRO · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:23 pm

They can dig up Ron Evans and put him in a glass case in the AFL Board Room for all I care - as long as they dont change the rules this year I dont give a flying flower. :evil:

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