buzzalenko wrote:

your post was bagging richard pratt. Exactly what he could have done to improve the quality of the list at this stage is unclear. Many of our key personnel off field have changed. The coach's tenure is clearly under review given Pratt's statements that have been reported. I say again, what else is he supposed to do?

Show me how I have bagged Pratt. I absolutely love what he has done for the club but the fact is that I dont follow the footy to have a look at the profit and loss at the AGM, I follow the club to see us win games. We arent doing that. Not Pratts fault but in my opinion everything else apart from what happens on the field is superflous!!!

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nytdog wrote:

BlueDW go support another club. You're not wanted at Carlton. This post is the worst I've ever seen. Thinking what Pratt is doing off the field isn't going to help the club long term on the field is brainless. I won't even go into why because it's that dumb. And yes we've had 5 bloody shit years, but comparing Carlton to St Kilda, Richmond, etc. is ignorant.

Last Premiership = 1995 (11 years ago)
Last Grand Final = 1999 (7 years ago)

St Kilda
Last Premiership = 1966
Last Grand Final = 1997

Richmond
Last Premiership = 1980
Last Grand Final = 1982

shall i go on?

Take a walk pall. This club doesn't need your type.

Nah mate I wil hang around just to annoy you. Sorry to hear that you accept our club being glued to the bottom of the ladder, and accept losing every damn week. And by the way comparing us to the old St Kilda is actually quite relevant, and if it isnt, tell me how we are better than they were back in the dark old days!!!!

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its duck season
its feral season

its duck season
its feral season

duck season
feral season


duck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Mate you are a joke a @#$%&! joke.We are playing kids we are under maned it is a fact Dick pago even god can do no beetrer with a young list.Grow up and stop sooking and support you flower club and shut you god dam mouth

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"Go blues"

Feel my love...............

or at least change your signature

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

There is absolutely no need for any hysteria about Carlton never winning flags or being a new St Kilda or whatever.

We are actually almost all the way through a very long and convoluted process here.

We have gone through many steps in the past 5 years, quite a few of them have been backward steps, and some small forward steps. Right now though it is more a matter of us marking time before a final push forward.

We are marking time because there is one more barrier that has to yet be overcome.

Overall, we have very gradually moved forward, but at a pace which has slowly, slowly hastened.

Sometimes it has looked like we arent moving forward at all.

But the nature of rebuilding from ground zero is that real results take a very long time to materialise.

There are and have been many times where it looks like we will never get anywhere and all is lost.

But the initiator of this post is not at all correct if he thinks that our present on field peformances points towards dark times.

Leaving Richmond aside for the moment, coaches are not normally sacked on whims or for stupid frivolous reasons.

There have to be real and very deep seated reasons which are clear to all before a coach is removed from his position.

Those real and deep seated reasons came into focus for Carlton following the round 7 loss against Collingwood and have steadily intensified since that time.

However, the change that is to come is one of the last before our re emergence as a new and re invigorated Carlton side.

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That change is the most important changes in the history of our footy club I would say. The next coach would have no excuses after two years at the helm.

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Mjonc signing off at 8888

Actually we should all consider that mjonc's observation is probably far truer than I think that even he realises or intends to mean.

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My Blue Heaven

Pathetic Thread

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"Dont count the games, make the games count"

Why pathetic. I am sick of the way the team is coached.
we seem to have one game plan which is one on one footy and are getting smashed as far as goals being kicked on us. We dont know how to close games down.
Gibbs and Walker in defence a joke. how flower bad is that.

Ackland on 3 year deal.

Hartlett hasnt played a game. Saddingto has played 2 gets injured and creamed in the second game.

We have no ruckman have a chance to promote Aisake so his brothe can develop in defence yet we play Carlos in the ruck.

Houlihan in defence every week. Why

Our youngsters look deflated and unhappy

Kouta gets to play another year.

Kennedy gets limited time on the ground for 7 matches. Coach doesnt know where tp play him.

Blackwell gets dropped after one game where he layed the most tackles and got the most poosessions per time on the ground.

The coach and reserve coach dont speak and it aint a problem.

Wiggins gets a 2 year deal.

Kick it to Fev and see what happens

Waite .where do you play him

Young gets a game for 3 weeks Not good enough.

Want me to keep going.

The bottom line is we are falling further behind in tactics and where players should be played. We are a bottom 8 side yes but we should be getting better and we arnt and the buck stops with the coach.

Aint a pathetic post. Time for action.

Pratt should sack Pagan tomorrow to avoid any further decline in peformance.

that shannon hurn kids a go-er

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Pratt get Judd and make him Captain, coach lol

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CFC TAC Squad everyone over 25 must be traded sounds like Loguns Run

Keogh I generally agree with you in regard to the on field shambles...

But the thread is about Pratt, and all your points are in relation to Pagan and the MC...

Blaming Pratt for this is feeble...

We are 100 times better off with him, and he is clearly building the foundations needed for Carlton to stay in existence for another 100 years, while giving us every opportunity to succeed on field, with the supply of elite facilities.

Pratt isn’t a coach so it would be wrong for him to tell Pagan and the MC what to do. At the end of the day Pratt has told Pagan what he expects from him (9 -11 wins), and if he doesn’t fulfil his expectations he will be gone... (LOOKS LIKE A SURE THING AT THIS POINT IN TIME)

Pratt’s a smart guy and will do what’s best for Carlton, and labelling him responsible for the on field stuff in such a short period of time of him being in charge is sad.

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"Dont count the games, make the games count"

*Yawn*

What's the fuss. Pratt has been here since February, so bringing the Ackland deal in is nonsensical. Young - hell most of us here support playing young (and he is young in AFL terms) for a few weeks in a row to see what they've got.

The reality is that we were a club on the brink financially and Pratt has significantly helped turn that around. He's bringing in proven executive talent.

Yes, there are issues to be resolved, but they won't be resolved tomorrow. Have pateince, and wait to see were the club is by February next year, after Pratt has had one year at the helm.

My guess, a bottom line that is significantly improved, an increased revenue stream and less problems around the club. Hell, maybe we will even have a new coach.

I think we will look back at this time in 5 years and realise how close to the brink this club actually got. Pratt has made a significant contribution to not only saving it, but making it a power again. It's crap to be having a go at him for on field issues when he has not been the President through any period that can help the on field issue like a trade period. What i do know is that painting Visy trucks with Carlton membership messages is creative, beyond anything which Smorgon seemed capable of and shows his love for the club.

Guys, lets stick with the debate about the topic and not make personal attacks or comments. If you dont agree with someone, argue the point but if you make a personal attack you risk a suspension

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Dick has seemed a bit stale recently..maybe his time is up and we can finally move on to someone who knows what their doing

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Spot on Fabulous. Pratt has done nothing wrong and everything right so far. The coach is the final piece to the puzzle - we all know that - and Pratt will do the right thing there as well, when the time is right.

I want to win as much as anyone, but I want to win with all the other things in place as well. That's what Pratt is doing. There is no point in winning 10 games (like in 2004) with the wrong list, the wrong facilities, the wrong admistrators and the wrong coaches. That will get us nowhere. When we do start winning again, it'll be with everything in place to make it count and to work towards something big - thanks to Pratt.

Pagan was gone after the first meeting around October.

Then he gets reprieve because Mike Fitzpatrick is on the board and basically its about a club in shambles financially therefore you better not sack a coach with 2 years to go on his contract.

Basically thats what happened.

Obviously Pagan had lost the majority of the players (I suspect the younger guys ) respect there and then.

Nothing has changed judging on the peformances this year. What Pratt is saying is that if there isnt improvement in our onfield efforts we will look at it at the end of the year. Around ten wins. Of course sticks says 8 because sticks is always loyal to his mates. We wont win 8 games(6 out of 14) If Pratt is willing to pay Pagan out on a one year deal why not get rid of him now.

Sticks has been the Board member responsible for the football department for years, and is very popular ...

Who is making these football decisions - blokey Sticks or Icke. We need more of the latter!

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