I am critical of all players when they deserve to be criticised.

Are you telling me that you are happy that Fevola has missed two absolute sitter's that he should have kicked? Are you happy that North whisked these two resultant kickins back down the ground for easy goals.
Are you happy that our full-forward is unreliable in his kicking and his on-ground behaviour so much so that when we need to put scoreline pressure on the opposition HE DOESNT COME THROUGH AS OFTEN AS HE SHOULD AT THE IMPORTANT TIMES WHEN HE SHOULD.

So we lose by 17 points. Fevola misses two sitters then North rebound for goals quickly. Two classic 12 point turnarounds. There is a loss right there. Do I blame him for the loss.. No. but his shoddy kicking at important times COULD have made the difference if he had kicked easy goals when he should have.

Are you the sort who worships the ground he walks on and doesn't see where he is at fault?

Are you happy that this [REDACTED] gets paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to kick goals but on occasion when they are kickable, he goes missing?

I think you are so enamoured by Fevola that you can't see the forest for the trees mate. Stop praising blokes for what they do wrong and look at the reasons why we lose games. HE is a problem when he doesn't kick those easy goals that he needs to. If you don't understand the concept of "SCOREBOARD PRESSURE" then really...

Do I applaud Lance Whitnall? I take Whitnall to task when he deserves it just like I take anyone else on our list to task who is not up to scratch and who doesn't pull their @#$%&! weight when they deserve it.

Fevola kicks goals - yeah great. We need them and good on him. Fevola (apart from a few games as already mentioned) misses important goals at important times when we need them and when they are easily within kicking range for him. 30-40m out and within a 60 degree arc from goal. There is NO @#$%&! reason why he shouldn't kick these goals and it is @#$%&! killing us. Letting the opposition off the hook like this is criminal. EVen this year, he did it in each game. EVERY DAMN GAME. Until he kicks those goals that are going to put scoreboard pressure on EVERY TIME, he is just another full-forward as far as I am concerned. As for the Essendon* game that you mentioned.. go back and look at the two easy shots he missed in the first quarter. IF he had kicked those, there would have been no need to stage that remarkable comeback. Fact is, he stuffed up two sitters (again) and Essendon* rebounded (again) for two easy goals (again).

Good full-forwards kick those goals mate. Or havent you heard of blokes like Lockett, Dunstall, Ablett, etc etc etc.

If you have a "diety worship complex" over Brendan Fevola, then God help you. It's about time some Carlton supporters open their eyes.

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blah i didnt read all that crap but take fev out of our team and we dont get close to anyone !!

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Yes, but if Ablett had of kicked those 3 sitters in the1st qtr of the 1995 G/F would Geelong have got pounded by so much.

Chyna

Me thinks you are in urgent need of a hug. Close your eyes and visualise all of us in the TC Community giving you a collective hug to help you deal with that bottled up aggression.



Conundrum

Cheyna, when you assess a player's performance in one game, or one year, You take a look at the entire game, and make a judgment on how the player performed...


By your logic and way of thinking, We need to Get rid of Fev and replace him with a Robot that is not programmed to miss or make mistakes....


Fevola can miss 10 shots in a game, and he would still be the best kick in the competition by a mile....All commentators agree to that......


if fevola was playing for west coast, he would be kicking 200 goals a year easily

And him missing a couple of easy shots like last night...??...

He has more talent in his little finger than most of our players do in their whole body... And he is a matchwinner, and a gun, and more often than not in the pressure situations he thrives and delivers.. like against Essendon* and the crows a couple years back when he booted 7 and kicked the matchwinning mercurial goal from the boundary...!

Fevola is one of the stars of the comp and if he was playing for the eagles he'd be even higher rated...

You known Fev played average and still booted 5 goals!.. How many other players can do that...

Chyna I have to agree with the boys on this one. Fev's kicking for goal is pretty awesome. I think picking out a few missed shots in a couple of games is a little narrow sighted. Generally Fev kicks many more than he misses which is all we can ask. Without Fev, Carlton would be in major trouble. He might be a loose cannon, but not all humans are the same. We have to accept our differences.

I'm probably the only poster out there who has been consistently willing to trade Fev, so I'm definitely not one of the Fev worshippers who cant see his faults (and yes, there are too many of them on this board.

However I dont think it is fair to criticise Fev for missing set shots - no forward in the history of the game has had a 100% strike rate at goal. I doubt there would be many with a conversion rate above 80%. Kick goals is one thing Fev does well and shouldnt really be criticised for.

Having said that though - he is an unreliable wanker - and he should be labelled as such until he irons out the brain explosions in his game. The arguing with umpires, the lack of second efforts, the poor body language, mouthing off - all those things are what makes Fev and unreliable wanker - not the goal kicking.

And by all means we should be heavily critical of the brain explosions - you dont pay a player in excess of 400k/yr for that sort of rubbish. That people continue to make excuses for him, or even worse -ask that we accept it because he is different is mindboggling to say the least.

btw, dodo - hate to single you out but that is just another example of the deity worship Fev gets around here. 200 goals? - because teams wont double and triple team Fev or drop someone in front of him? Or perhaps because the eagles will kick it to him every forward 50entry much like we do but they have better skills? Or do you expect Fev to kick 200 goals because he is that good. If you really think that then trade Fev to WC at the end of this season (irrespective of what they offer). I mean why should we deny the greatest player in the history of the game (100+yrs) the opportunity to reach his potential? - 200 goals would make him at least 30% better than coleman, dunstall, lockett, ablett, etc. Assuming he is consistent, thats a lazy 9 goals/game (7.7 if you include 4 finals). He'd smash every goal kicking record out there. What footy fan dosent want to see that? Trade him quick

Watched the game again

Pros:
- Simmo never stopped trying, another good game.
- Blackwell good game. Knows how to get the footy, has great awareness and usually uses it well/choses the right option. Only issue is that he is a little slow and his kicking lacks penetration. BUT, he should play the rest of the season in the seniors and be given big jobs and game time.
- Carrotts good game. Although his decision making still needs to improve. But he has definitely taken a step forward this year.
- Kouta spent a fair bit of time on the bench but still had a good impact on the game. 20 possessions and some important touches (and goal) in the last showed good leadership from an oldie. The frees against him earlier in the game were a load of crap. Our midfield looks better with his big body in there. He reads the ruck contests so well.
- Whitnall in our best without doubt. Back to being a dangerous forward for us. His last quarter he worked hard to get us back into the game. Showed leadership, putting his body on the line, tackling, and trying to lift the team off his own actions.
- Fev has to be applauded for his 2 goals at the end to keep us in it while playing off one leg.
- Fish another good game. His attack on the footy and hard leading is great.


Cons:
- Forward line needs to lead harder at the ball carrier (ala Fisher, Edwards). Too many forwards are clogging up the space in front of Fev. They need to lead hard and circle back to be front and square at the contest. Footy 101.
- Midfield not running hard enough defensively, hence getting killed on the rebound. Maybe it's the young legs or just not disciplined enough.
- Why didn't someone hit Rawlings to give Murph some space?
- Houla stupid free kicks and soft at the contest. The free kicks at the start of the game seemed to hurt his confidence at hitting the contests hard. But for a mature player he should respond better than that.
- We don't have a small defender. A Dean Rice type from the 1995 team, who can blankett the small forwards and provide some good rebound.
- Setanta had a solid game although I don't think he should be in the ruck. I'd rather see him have stints ruck roving than rucking. But let's play him in the backline and develop him properly.
- Third man up in a marking contest. This is part of team work. When going into the forward line, why don't our players block for each other to stop a third defender jumping into a marking contest and spoiling our forwards. If you have body touch on your opponent you should be able to stop that third player up - who often takes an easy mark across a marking contest. On the other side, when in defence, we need support our team mates more by being the third man in to spoil or take a mark. That was one thing that Teaguey did well in 1994. Also what guys like Peter Dean used to do so well in the glory days.

@ chyna complaining that Fev kicked 5.2 instead of 7 straight.

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CON:-

Has anyone else noticed, or is it just my imagination, that when we are a few goals in front, the team seems to try "tempo" footy, to protect the lead?

And when they do that, we lose the momentum and the lead.

Would this be instructions from the coach or lack of confidence?

GO BLUES

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How can expect to get closing to win...when the coach changes the defence every week...every good side has a settled back 6...and we cant do that because he(that guy that sits in the coaches box) changes it every week...waite, sentanta and thornton..should stay in defence for the whole year no matter...no more houlihan or gibbs down there...time to bring in flint and anderson...and no more Walker down there...

From the backline

Flint Sentanta Anderson

Russell Thornton Waite

Simpson Carazzo Walker

Houla Whitnal Fischer

Benjamin Fev Betts(when fit)

Jacobs/Hamspon/Aiaske/Kennedy/Hartlett Bentick Murphy

With the rucks anybody else other than Ackland we cant do worse...

Blackwell, Young, Jacobs/Hamspon/Aiaske, GIbbs( he is looking is need of a rest after what Pagan is doing to his confidence), Kouta, Lappin

Coach: Chris Bond or GUy Mckenna (NOW NOW NOW!!!!)

Depatures Pagan, Mitchell, Kernahan all are part of the old legacy.....

This season is over...the longer PAgan stays the longer we are from moving on...I know there is pagan supporters but its just time...enough is enough....

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OOPS I forgot our general in the backline at that the Moment

King Scotland!!!

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Pros - we are closer to the Priority Pick and a new coach.

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If/when Fev becomes the 2nd player to wear the navy blue to kick a ton,will Chyna stand and applaud,or not?

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Con: When the main prize of playing a game of football is a loss to get closer to a PP, we are in deeeeep despair. Especially when we need another 12 losses to go with it.

deep in dis pear or flower dis custard?

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