Bradley - i'm not expecting miracles overnight. I just want the young kids to show me something.

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Kennedy wasnt the priority pick Murph was....
Kennedy was pick4..Murph was pick 1....

Anyway... Kennedy will be a gun...

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If we didn't have 2 picks it would have been Kennedy we missed out on, Kennedy was our reward for finishing with under 5 wins.

I agree Kennedy will be a gun (and I'd love to have 2 more Top 5 selections this year ). GAV on the other hand thinks its essential we get 2 early picks this year, but he thinks our reward for that last time is disappointing

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Jesus H. God dancing Christ - Kennedy has played a dozen games, he will be a gun or at least as good as Earl Spalding.

We may never have another chance for 2 picks in the Top 4 again.

You can only pick the best players available, and in 2005 we needed a mid-fielder and a KPP - we picked the best 2 players available Murphy and Kennedy.

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I think they'll both be guns.

GAV, who thinks he's heading the cause for 4 wins and 2 picks again this year disagrees with us though.

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Teaching the blokes we have to win at all costs is the equivalent of 2 top draft picks in the next draft.

If we are just not good enough we will finish low and the system will decide what picks we get.

We were decieved by those 10 wins, cuased by Second rate players injecting themseleves with Viagra and then dying off the second year..


We were decieved by our first Wizard Cup win, and we all started talking irogant finals footy.....


Then, we all sat and watched the blues win yet another Wizard cup and said " na, we are not goona get fooled, these guys are the deal thing, we are defaintely back ", and YET we are decieved for another year.....



I seriously think Pagan needs to go.... We been picking High ranking players in the draft, the last few years, but those kids are just not going anywhere.. they are not developing in the right way.....They might have talent but they u get the feeling there is no special program at the club to actually develop them mentally, physically, socially, and every other aspect.....


Guys like Russell & hartlet would have been excelling at other Clubs.....Whoever is responsible, GET RID OF HIM

Synbad wrote:

It's a silly argument - had we finished bottom that year, drafting Deledio would've meant we finish higher the following year & probably last year as well & we'd have missed out on drafting Murphy & Gibbs. Similarly with 'black friday' - had Wells & Goddard been running around from day one, we probably wouldn't have Walker, Murphy nor Gibbs at the club.

What happens, happens!!!

Bananas ... Deledio would not have won you a game as an 18 year old...
Wells and Goddard would not have lost you Walker...

Pagan would have made sure of that....

Worst coach of this millenium...

The players cant play for him.... they cant follow simple instructions.. he has to go...!!!

And wed have some gun kids today!!

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I agree with you - I want Pagan gone.

But don't tell me Deledio's Rising Star winning first season would not have got us over the line in just 1 game - which as you've pointed out would've meant we'd end up with pick 6 - not the picks 1 & 4 we ended up with.

When it was started a few weeks ago the vote for tanking was barely 10%, has not taken long for it to get up above 30%.

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Lets face it Tanking is the wrong terminology.

We are poor.

Cant play and should finish last... (between us and the tigers)

We NEED thePP more than any team since Fitzroy, then a new coach and look out....2014...

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Again i question why dont you change the thread to supporters wanting the Blues to loose 18 games be better tittle than tanking

I dont believe the club would start throwing games at round 4 in a season and if they did how would that reflect in the future ... players deciding when they play and when they dont

Also you are asking the same players to throw the game so we get a PP only to see them delisted come years end because they couldnt perform.

If Tanking does occur which is more likely the result of the club at round 18 to change up the list play kids ... put players with niggles into surgery to get em right for the next season ... Thats a controlled tank from the Coaching panel and club..

But players dont throw games and wont purposely lose they lose because they are not coached properly or not good enough or fail to follow a game plan. Personally we arnt winning because i think the coach needs to go and the players need a change.

If the player where purposly losing then we have a much bigger problem apart from the fact that half the players would walk out come years end..

But i dont think that we are losing because we lack leadership / have an out dated coach ... issues with comunication with the coaching ranks .. lack of developement faith in the kids ect

if we are 4 from 18 then yer i guess the coach will be instructed to field a yound team and put a young team on the park limited our chance of further wins.... but at round 6 would be total rubbish.
This is thread that 30% people want the blues to lose 18 games this season.

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Bradley - i dont doubt that Kennedy will make it, i'm just disappointed with what i've seen till now. Having said that, he is one of my favourites and i want to see him succeed.

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Didn't he do a shoulder last year,i hear they can take a while with some players,maybe it will take him a year to get it right

Only losers would say winning in Round 7 against Collingwood when we are 2 and 4 is meaningless... Go take your loser mentality and support the tigers. You wouldn't ever hear a WCE supporter saying any match is meaningless. That's the difference between a club that expects success and doesn't feel the need to tank to get there, and a club that is trying to acheive success by basing it on a foundation of losing.

We all want 10 first round draft picks. We all want access to the best young talent in the comp. But the difference is, I think we should do it the right way. Which is the way we are doing it now. Playing a young developing team and trying to win as much as we can. That's why we got Pratt. He's a winner and won't tolerate losing. Why do you think he jumped on board this year? It's because he knew it was time to stop losing. He knew we had gathered enough talent to start turning the club around. He jumped on baord because he is a winner and he knew it was time to start winning. Comparing this year to 2004 when we won 10 and picked up Russell is ignorant. We were a completely different team then. We were made up of recycled hacks who were playing for their careers,. hence winning games that didnt truly indicate where we were heading. Every game we win now will be completely different. It will give us confidence. It will give the kids an indication of what we need to do to win. IT WILL DEVELOP THEM. Because we will be winning with our future (the kids), not with hired help.

Can't you see that having a losers mentality is sending this club backwards. And watch how much more difficult it is going to be to hang on to our players at the end of the year with the way we are going. And watch how much harder it will be to attract good players from other clubs.

As much as I would love a priority pick (because we deserve it given the last 5 years), I would much prefer to see us win 7-8 games, finish 3rd last (as we will anyway) and have pick 3 in the draft and pick up another young gun.

Let's face it, the chance of us winning only 2 more games for the year is about 20%. So the question really is ... who would rather win 5 games and have pick 3 ... Or who would rather win 6-9 games and have pick 3.

You would rather have us win 7 to 8 games and finish off with Pick 3 - rather than only winning 4 games and having Picks 1 and 4.



The players WILL hang around this year - they will not want to go no place once Round 22 is over dont worry about that.

The only players not hanging around will be those that will be delisted to make room for Picks 1, 4 and 20 etc.

nytdog - you have spent far too long in the USA.

Where in the NBA - a single first round draft pick has a 20% impact on a starting 5 in a basketball team.

Remember this a single first round draft pick in AFL only has a 6% impact on a starting 18 in a football team.

So do the maths - WE NEED PICKS 1 & 4 - not just Pick 3.

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Lets see over the long term how the above players stack up against Russell eh? (Franlin accepted).

Has anyone who is pro-tanking advised the rest of us when we are allowed to start winning games again? Can we do it next year? Or shall we go for more early draft picks?

Also interesting to note how many of the successful teams (of late) have managed to be successful without many years anchored to the bottom.

We would be better served channelling our energies into having the best recruiters all over the country and getting great value whatever the number in the draft. The eagles seem to have manged this quite well.

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We are at the same point as last year...

2 wins and 5 losses...

Richmond and Melbourne just make us look better!

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