Lucky Fev!

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Yep, he would have avoided the fallout of Black Friday. Oh, sorry for mentioning that. And there you were happily ignoring that issue.

Huh

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

We still have the same game plan...kick it to Fev only..that works about one in very five games if we are lucky.
Pagan also struggles with matchups.....obviously stupid ones like Whitnall on Lucas come to mind...
Hasnt improved IMO and any gains are due to the natural development of our quality younger players....

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"When you have the attitude of a champion, you see adversity as your
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- Conor Gillen

I think we are being much more proactive this year at trying to attack the footy - and I voted Yes because overall I like where we promise to be in 6 months and this isn't a false dawn like our "high finish" of the other year...

However - I tihnk that the difference between us attacking games and trying to shut down oppositions is as marked as night and day and I hope that the West Coast game finally taught us that we should always aim up as if we're favourites (no matter how unrealistic) rather than try to mitigate the damage so that we can 'hang in and maybe come away with a shock win'.....

We're also a hell of a lot more composed coming out of D this year compared to last year, last night's game breaker excluded. Can't wait till round 8....

House, we play North in Rd 8. You probably mean Rd 7 against the Pies, but maybe you've got a thing against North?

Hey Jimmae - Happy with the gameplan Pagan took in on Saturday night were you - exciting stuff was it - a good old fashion shoot out - the crowd loved - sure we lost in the end but what the heck it was exciting .

It took old DP hours of stategic meetings to employ this plan .

Tell me how you loved his tactics on Saturday night Jimmae - tell what a masterstroke it was that nearly came off - If Fev hadn't , if those three didn't , If Jackson hadn't - IF- If If but will learn from that but the question Jimmae is will he

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No - for me, I mean round 8 because it is the first time I get to see the boys 'for real' this year when we beat the Roos for crowd numbers at the GC again.... Although I can't wait for Rd 7 either, because I'm coming down to Melbourne for the rematch in August and I want even more riding on the game than there will be anyway!!

I was impressed with the fluency of our play when in possession; I was impressed with how we rotated the forward structures and had multiple goal kickers; I was impressed with the way we defended kickouts; I was impressed with the ability to stifle most of Brisbane's efforts to kick into their 50 down the corridor; I was impressed that we were still in the game despite crucial umpiring decisions usually falling Brisbane's way.

Both teams went for the shootout, and Brisbane, who have proven to be a much better side than they were touted to be at the beginning of the pre-season, got over the line by a couple of goals. I'd say they were very lucky.

I'd say the biggest killer for us on the night, having watched the game at the ground, were how one way or another, whether it be through a sloppy entry into the f50, or a brain fade by the forward, we coughed up a lot of turnovers between 35 and 50 m from goal that were essentially two-goal turnarounds.

I can go further into it, but if a slight lift in composure by the team was the key thing that separated us from a victory, I'm pretty satisfied because that comes with time spent reinforcing different tactics & strategies that work for our side.

Forget this talk about Judd and drafting, when did employing tactics suddenly become a plug and play process?

I yearn for the days 3 years from now when it's about 10 players on the list learning the systems in the ressies, and maybe one or two in the senior side. Not 3/4 of the bloody list.

Pagan might not be around then but the next coach will be thanking his lucky stars he wasn't developing a team all at once.

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

The double irony in that is without Pagan, it would be doubtful Fev would have turned into a Coleman medalist... let alone still be playing football.

I cant believe nobodys mentioned how much better we look out of the middle this season?
Some of our clearance work has been top notch- the run of Walker, Simpson, Russell out of the middle on Saturday night and the way we often worked out how to dispose of the ball in very contested situations was very pleasing stuff..

Only based on us thus far this year:

*Playing the kids more regularly

*Giving said kids set responsibilities week to week (hasn't hurt O'hAilpin)

*Better record than this time last year (with the hope of more wins already)

*Seems Pagan is start to ensure Fev is not our only option up forward

*Starting to see the seeds of a winning culture develop, instead of last year playing football waiting to lose games - we are playing with much more hunger.

I think there has been some improvement.

We are playing more attacking footy, with less flooding of the backline & Pagan is showing faith in players like Setanta - compare that to previous years where the kids would get a few minutes game time if they were lucky.

I don't really know if that stuff is Pagan or board influenced, but I would like to know from the detractors who they think that's out there who would do a better job than Pagan with the current list & why.

I really don't know what to think at the moment.

I thought we were unlucky Saturday night, I'm sure we will learn alot out of that game and will slowly learn to shut the door on teams when we are 3 goals up and have the run of play. I think it just came down to their experienced players getting them over the line in the end, Brown, Black, Power, Notting and Johnson really stood up when it counted. They are all hard, seasoned premiership players. Them kicking 18 goals straight didn't help us either, we could have easily been 5 or 6 up. I dont think Pagan is the right man for the job, but I think he has imroved and the team is improving. I'm not sure if that is due to input from the assistants or if he has been told or has simply decided to go about it differently. I liked his press conference after the game too, he didnt make excuses like he was last year, I dont know, it was just different to the usual crap he usually feeds us. There are plenty of positives, Simpson and Houlas footskills were superb, Russell is developing, Murph and Gibbs just need time, they clearly have it. Setanta has only played a handfull of games, two of our most in form players in Stevo and Fish werent there. We sometimes forget that Walker is only 20. The question is who is going to be our next coach and are we all going to apologise to Pagan or admit we were wrong if there isn't a marked improvement? I think we should win 6-8 games and think its not good enough if we dont. The Geelong game is the only game I am terribly unhappy with so far, the Eagles game was bad but lets face it they are at a different level, I cant see any Melbourne side getting near them over there. We werent far off being 3-2 and we would have all been talking up how big Friday nights game is and we are a big chance to knock off the saints. There is no doubt in my mind that so far this year Pagan and the side have improved. The next month will be very interesting.

I yearn for the day that we have a senior coach who understands those systems and knows how to implement them and effectively communicate them to the players.
That is when we'll realise our potential.

We are slowly improving and so is Denis. He's learning how to delegate and to trust. I think he's realising that having good people around you actually assist your cause instead of viewing them as a threat.
Unfortunately imo it also confirms his inadequacies over the past 5 years.

To answer the question, yes he has improved, but the club had to take total control of the football department to initiate and instigate that improvement. Who his assistants are, who his staff are, who he can draft......etc etc. How anyone can view that as a positive for Denis is beyond me.

I thank him for his efforts but I'll be happy to see him replaced.
He is a man of the past and we should be looking to the future.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Hey Jimmae - You were yerning for that day five years ago - It aint ever gunner happen under this fellar

Jimmae I have been advocating that the players be freed up and allowed to play a bit more and full credit to DP he allowed them to do a bit of this on Saturday night.

But do you think it was wise to adopt this gameplan some six days after chasing Judd and CO around subi in the wet . MAtthews just said to his players stay close they will get buggered soon .

And guess what happened the kids ran out of steam - Didn't see that coming thought Denis - But hell its another learning curve

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

ahhh I love the damned if you do damned if you dont's of life.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Nah Danny footy is a little more complex than that these days .

It was a dumb tactic and it was never going to work - Lucky we were playing Brisbane - other clubs would have put us to bed about 5 minutes into the second half .

Friday night will be insteresting

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

Was that a shot at me?
Not sure, as what I wrote doesn't seem to be funny.

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dane's trolling again

Agree.