You forget the AFL gave us a lump sum to only move to TD

yeah, great move that was

$3 mill up front, but dont worry that over the course of time a move to the MCG with higher attendances would have seen that $3mill trumped several times over.

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Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

I can recall talk about us getting a deal equal to Essendon* at TD, were these just lies?

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AFL where pulling our string they ae the ones that create the draw they moved us away from PP and towards the TD they gave us a deal we couldnt refuse. Not Collins fault.

Did we do a deal with the Devil . Most likely the AFL where the ones controlling us.

The next home ground deal im sure we can ask for a bit more when the club has something to deal with.

Show the MCG we are increasing our crowds show them the increasing membership and they will show you the money.

Show them shit and you will get what your given at the time of the deal we had nothing show and nothing in the bank to negotiate with.

BEGGER CANNOT BE CHOOSERS

what a load of crap.

He was the president, he DID have a choice, where was our negotiation skills? Do you know what a conflict of interest is?

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dont believe the hype.

and we cant look at it again anytime soon, as the powers that be thought it would be excellent to sign a 10 year deal at the time.

the AFL was involved, indeed they where, this is where the club should have stood its ground and question how the AFL can control both the draw and do it fairly, while having a financial interest in one of the grounds.

I will tell you how, they cant.

we got shit, becuase we went cap in hand, we sold them our problems, not the possibilites.

it was handled very poorly, and i blame Collins.

Why you ask? How can we have "our" president not involved in the biggest decision the club will ever have to make because of conflict of interest.

we arent talking about removing oneself from a meeting discuss what possibile caterers we are going to use, we are talkign about the biggest decision the club will ever have to face, and good ol collo wasnt even there to make it.

but als, we are going over old ground.

we got shafted then, we are still getting shafted now, my only regret is so few of you could see it. perhaps if more did we would have got a better deal.

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If it was such a load of crap why did the members overwhelmingly vote for the move.

Weather you like it or not that was the best deal on the tabe and we took it.

Collins didn't build the legend stand no members voted for that it was just done that is only going to cost us 20 million dollars after interest yet Collins brings money into the club he is a very bad man.

Yep $3mill up front to extracate us from Catering Contracts at Princes Park - from, now let me see, oh yes that upright and honest and honourable Ron Evan and Spotless Catering.

To move some of our matches to MCG with Catering Contracts with now let me see, oh yes that upright, honest and honourable Ron Evans and Spotless Catering.

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Collins colluded with the AFL. Simple as that.

Carlton could have been used as a bargaining chip to leverage against the MCG's "compulsory preliminary final" contract stipulation.

This was ignored, with that "honour" given to Collingwood a year or so later for more MCG games.

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NOW YOU'RE JUST SOME CLUB THAT I USED TO KNOW.

We couldn't keep playing at PP without improving the facilities. That would have cost millions. Crowds for clubs like Melb, Geelong, Hawthorn, St K, Kangas are much higher (35-45,000) compared to PP (25,000) and it's the away supporters that pay to go to the games.

My point is not about staying or not staying, but if we had to move we should have got the best deal available to us at the time, not jump on the first 'offer' presented to us. The AFL should have stayed out of it, they used us and influenced our decision for their own advantage, not ours. I am sure that most supporters were more in favour of a 7/4 split of MCG to TD but somehow it worked out the opposite.

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Think we should all remember where we have been and where we are heading now

The key to any dealing with the Blues in the past 3-4 years we have been shafted no doubt and definately under valued

We been shafted in FTA Veiwing this more to do with our performances on field
We prob didnt get the best deal in our move though had to be done why because our club was a basket case

Even our Sponsers have been able to under value there sponsering in recent times with how the Blues have been performing on and off the field

But i am sure will all change interesting to read that Pratt function which generated $2.013 mill was 3 Times what the Blues generated in functions and fund raising in 2006

Whats this all mean - Get your off field and On field successful we wont be shafted and under valued also we will attract much better people to the Club IE Swan and Icke
We will be much stronger in the Trade periods where players will want to come to the blues .. and we will be in much stronger in retaining players we want to keep IE Thornton and Russell who nearly jumped ship.

So all you people who want the club to purposely win less than 4 games and then wonder why we dont attract talent and arent give any FTA time and basically treated second rate will realise that winning and climbing up the ladder and showing success brings alot more to the table

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CFC TAC Squad everyone over 25 must be traded sounds like Loguns Run

So true people want us to finish last and in the same breath canont understand why we haven't got the best deal now.

Collingwood made two consecutive Grand finals they built there membership around a successful club we didn't deserver the same Collingwood MCG deal they would of laughed at us at the negotiating table.

Subiaco sells out just about every game.

Collingwood have 40k members and were a finalist last year.

Meanwhile Carlton haven't sold out a stadium in half a decade, at least.

Gate receipts. That's the key difference.

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Nobody has answered Jarusa's excellent question.

We are 'only' getting $5mill from TD but only playing half our home games there. What about the money from MCG - if they are giving us around the same figure we really don't appear to be that far shy of the Scum and Filth of the world.

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Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

There is a Board member (or two) who browse and contribute to these forums so maybe he is able to shed some light on the figures?

It's unclear whether the journalist was using a total figure to sully the TD deal, or just the amount for TD.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Look at who the 'journo' is and you may start thinking that he is causing mischief for mischiefs sake.

I get to maybe one game a year so I don't have an emotional attachment to this like a lot of you do. I'd like to see figures before I go off half-cocked.

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Left wing moralists
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They shit me no end

Think about it and do the maths Heavs its 5 mill all up

We only turned over under 21 mill -
7mill- AFL tv deal
5 mill- TD
5 mill approx Membership
1 mill + merchandise
Balance from sponsors , gate reciepts etc etc

The is no more money coming from the MCG

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Fair enough - in that case then, the question needs to be asked, why are we receiving nothing from the MCG? If we had played all our games there would we be down another 5 mill because we lose TD money?

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end