Heard Sticks on 3 AW tonight. Between the lines it was clear that the Board was not happy that JE got the media coverage today and Sticks mentioned that he had a word with JE today. I think they asked him to lower his profile and not comment on Club matters - like the comments he made about PP. Good luck is all I can say....

In regard to Fosters... try to talk to people at CUB. He was very lucky that he was not charged with fraud due to a technicality.

yeah well those who were holding ixl shares now fosters would be LoL now all the way to the bank.

You cant be serious offering that as a defense....Jack should have thrown some of your bullshit on the soil ....

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Thats due what happened after JE. You should educate yourself. Millions "disappeared" at Fosters and a couple of JE's top execs ended up in jail. JE only escaped because the NCA stuffed up the investigation. JE has turned every business venture he went into to sheit and is now bankrupt and banned fom holding a directors position.

You have misinterpreted what I said.

"as far as I am aware" was in reference to the general use of the word groping, not in reference to the intention of his actions.

Indeed I have attacked the character of this former President who has a well documented and widely observed pattern of groping women at Club functions. Why else your observation that you would cringe at this behaviour?

In our community, it is I believe widely accepted, at least by women, that uninvited groping is indicative of general disrespect towards women. Or have I missed something?

In fact I have made no implication that you condone this behaviour. Instead I find your position confused.

His widely observed actions speak loudly for themselves, as is usual with Elliot. I do not need to be melodramatic, his behaviour has done that for me. I simply question why you do not appear to accept that this behaviour is disrespectful to women.

Jack is indeed a crusty old B. A very resilient character too.

But he is actually Carlton's crusty old B.

Yes Ive forgiven (it wasnt an easy thing to do)

But Ive not forgotten - but for our clubs sake, the thought of Jack having any kind of position of responsibility in the club fills me with dread.

As long as he doesnt end up being dial a quote for the papers and stays in the background - I think I will feel OK about his new role.

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Big Jack may not be Board material any longer, but ask yourself since Jack Elliot has been exiled from involvement with the Club how much money has the Club lost in terms of donations, sponsorship, social club revenue etc etc? Then ask yourself has the past 5 years of pain been worth banishing Elliot to oblivion? IMO the biggest mistake was pissing in Elliot's pocket like the Carlton 1 ticket did.

Elliot = Passion and Commitment to the cause. The cause being restoring Carlton to superpower status again. IMO nobody has more passion, drive and enthusiasm for our Club, IMO nobody typifies the Carlton spirit like Big Jack.

Welcome back Jack, I missed having you around.

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you're looking at the semantics too much

elders made $83 million profit from an UNsuccesful bid of UK brewer Allied Lyon. ... elliot succesfully won a $3.3 billion ofc ougar in the u.k in 1986...upon the acquisition cub became a top 10 global brewer..

in 1987 cub took over canadas carling o'keefe ..then sold its 50% stake 10 years later for 1.1 billion...

in 1992 bhp became fosters largest share holder.. in the early 90's fosters acquired cascade and w.a matilda bay brewries...

cub is one of australias succesful companies.. no questions asked...

elliot had to buy out cub because it faced a take over threat from industrial equity in 1983..yes it raised its debt levels to astronomical levels

yeah i winder elders management expressed their strong concern that elliot would be lured away to politics in 1987...why would they do that..and he assured them he would stay until 1990 at least..bottom line is elders ixl has 400 subsidiary companies

So why don't you give us a history lesson.I make it you were about 14 when Elliot made his play with BHP.
As for IXL lets say 8?

A number of questions for the guru?

Run the performance numbers,Fosters vs ASX 1995 to 2007?

What did Elliott actually do for BHP to make them the powerhouse they are today? .His was a minority Holding geared to saving the "Melbourne Establishment"?

Do you understand what a Contributing Share is?

Can you explain the morality of a 1 cent paid ctg Share Holder receiving a free Bonus issue on such a Holding?

Can you explain the morality of those such Partly Paid holders ,when the market turns, choosing to renege/appeal again the payment of the call balance when the market turns?

Just a couple of questions?

My aplogies to the majority of posters who have no interest in the subject.

The point is that sweeping un-informed posts like this give me the sh.its!

Well said!

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simple simpleton...

if elliot didnt stop robert holmes/bell resources taking over bhp... then bhp would not the monster it is today...i highly doubt robert holmes would have given an inch to billiton.

fosters has been one of the safest companies on the asx in terms of capital returns and capital appreciation..it's not a bank but definitely an industrial giant... it wholly deserves to be a top20!

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2002/s725360.htm

HEATHER EWART: Well, this afternoon we asked the man who once seemed to have it all, what went wrong?

JOHN ELLIOTT: I still have it all in the sense I'm a very whole person.

But, um, I suppose the biggest mistake I made was making the bid for Elders, which I was forced to by my board and I should have resisted that.

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So if I run a knife through someone's chest, and they wind up in intensive care and die on the operating table, am I the murderer or is it the surgeon who operated?

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he fosterised the yanks and bhp is a global giant...

what more could he do?

I for one am not too worried about Jack being back, in fact in many ways it is a good thing as one thing about Jack is that he is very passionate about Carlton, has a real enthusiasm for the club etc. He does genuinely seem to love the club. Smorgon, Collins etc just don't have Jack's passion, they might be good Carlton people who do care about the club but they don't have Elliott's zeal. In any case his new position seems pretty harmless in terms of the damage Jack could potentially inflict on the club. And having been President for nearly 20 years he certainly have some contacts/connections etc that he could attract back to the club.

So personally at this stage I am quite satisfied with this move...

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Yuu really are naive!

Sweeping statements without a basis of fact!



Where are your charts when Elliott was involved?

Why do you think that the old Group fell apart?

Why do you think there was a fire sale around the World so much so that the "Fosterising" of the world fell apart ?

Google all you want,, and selectively but any Institutional Fund Manager in the Country will tell you that Elliott has had nothing to do with the performance of BHP or FGL over the last decade other than the work that was required to extricate them from the mess that Elliott wrought!

is that why no one wanted him to leave when he was being lured into politics..

yeah i gotcha

Good question. Answer is the surgeon got called away for a personal phone call and you took the opportunity to bring in a better surgeon who saved that person

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http://www.bigjack.com.au/etiquette.php
Table Manners by John D Elliott

Australians have terrible table manners, however not as bad as Americans, who have none at all.

Having stayed with British Royalty and been briefed accordingly, and dined in the greatest restaurants around the world, the following points can be made to improve the table manners of Australians.

The most important guest should be placed on the right of the host, and the second most important on the left.
As you take your seat as a guest you should pull out the chair for the ladies on your right and left, and not sit down until they are comfortably seated.
Immediately you are seated you should take your serviette/napkin and place it on your lap. It is embarrassing to see the waiters having to do it as it shows your bad manners.
When food is being served it should firstly be served to the person on the right then the person on the left, and then continue by serving second from the left.
If a cold dish is served you should not commence eating until all parties have been served.
If a hot dish is served you should start your meal immediately. This is one of the biggest faults of Australians. They wait until everybody gets served and the food goes cold.
Holding your knife and fork is another important facet to good manners. The fork and knife should be held with each forefinger placed on the top, you should not hold your knife like a pencil, this highlights poor breeding.
You must put your knife and fork down when you are not eating.
Don't chew your food with your mouth open.
It is perfectly acceptable to pick up a bone and chew it, provided you only use one hand.
Dishes should not be taken away from the table until everyone has finished the course.
When a lady leaves the table you stand up, when she returns to sit down you repeat the process.
You can put one elbow on the table but never two.
When you have completed your meal/course you place your knife and fork together to signify completion.

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