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^whoops, too many emoticons...


...so here's a few more.

:lol: :!: :idea: :| :twisted: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :x :lol:

:?: <--- and this one is Sal.


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...so here's a few more.

:lol: :!: :idea: :| :twisted: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :x :lol:





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The Sal Emoticon?

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Jarusa wrote:
10 spots up for grabs.

Whoever the new group is (that is if there is only one of them) will have to get 6 or more members of their ticket in the top 10 in terms of votes (I assume it is a preferential system again).

Lets say the alternative ticket puts up 10 people and there are also a couple of independants, that means there could be at least 22 people on the ballot. :lol: Muddy waters indeed.

That is going to take a lot of organising from the alternative ticket/s, a lot of people are too stupid to be able to order their votes correctly according to 'ticket' lines. There are going to have to be 'how to vote' cards/proxies and the whole shebang.

Should be interesting to see what happens.

Are there scrutineers involved in the vote counting?


Thats a fair point...Smorgon has made it more complicated for the average punter...voting will be more difficult....how to vote cards etc may be a reality......if things get left too late and the voting process become too messy the challengers could fail....voting for whoever " Sticks" is supporting could be the donkey vote...

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When all is revealed Smorgon is dead in the water...

he spent a month covering his arse without doing anything for the club... and he will still cop it come March...

Waste of time for the club .. !!!...oxygen thieves...

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By the way.. doesnt this all seem familiar???

Its very like 2002.. new faces same smell...


Amazing how people on their last legs and failures ... want to cling desperately onto power...

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woof wrote:
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Unfotunately we're broke and when you're broke the only real thing you can do is survive and try to pay off you're debts. Smorgan is doing that.


Andain,
I find this comment puzzling. Smorgan is paying off debt? Last year the board had to seek 2 million dollars special assistance of which 1.5 million become more debt.
Are you all there?

Are you?

Do you understand what a $8.5 dollar debt means to a club that's broke and just made a massive loss? I doubt it. Don't live under any illusions, the club is in a life and death struggle to survive and we're closer to the end than most realise. From the very start the board knew it was going to be this way, with that massive debt and little to no cash flow, for at least ten years after Elliot was dumped on his arse. In my opinion the board has worked wonders just keeping the club afloat, let alone wiping off $5 million in debt in four years with little to no help from our supposed big financial backers.


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Andain wrote:
woof wrote:
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Unfotunately we're broke and when you're broke the only real thing you can do is survive and try to pay off you're debts. Smorgan is doing that.


Andain,
I find this comment puzzling. Smorgan is paying off debt? Last year the board had to seek 2 million dollars special assistance of which 1.5 million become more debt.
Are you all there?

Are you?

Do you understand what a $8.5 dollar debt means to a club that's broke and just made a massive loss? I doubt it. Don't live under any illusions, the club is in a life and death struggle to survive and we're closer to the end than most realise. From the very start the board knew it was going to be this way, with that massive debt and little to no cash flow, for at least ten years after Elliot was dumped on his arse. In my opinion the board has worked wonders just keeping the club afloat, let alone wiping off $5 million in debt in four years with little to no help from our supposed big financial backers.


Where is the plan?????

4 years to work on it... where is it???

Its the Pinski file...... isnt it??

Thats why they have to go... they are not capable and anyway.. whether they want to or not.. they are GONE!!!

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Synbad wrote:
Where is the plan?????

4 years to work on it... where is it???

Its the Pinski file...... isnt it??

Thats why they have to go... they are not capable and anyway.. whether they want to or not.. they are GONE!!!

I wasn't aware that AFL club boards were required to routinely hand out business plans to random people who sculk around the club begging for scraps.

My bad.


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Andain and Sal......Rest assured that Smorgan and his so called "Unity" Board are history......They are more concerned with self preservation instead of what is in the best interest of the club......

As for you Sal, tell Smorgan that TC members do vote and it is time to "GO" and March can't come quick enough......There is no need for the alternative ticket to reveal itself at this point in time however come early Jan 07 all will be revealed and the right people will take control of the club...


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I'm just looking forward to the day our plan is as obvious as the Bulldogs'.

And the Kangaroos'.

And Melbourne's.

Actually, do they have a plan...? Hang on! I thought if they had a plan it would be obvious? :?


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The Western Bulldogs Financial Report under the Review of Operations gives some insight to the Bulldogs plan.

http://westernbulldogs.com.au/cp2/c2/we ... 5387cx.pdf

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The 2006 Financial Report makes their plan obvious?

Carlton haven't released their 2006 Financial Report yet...is that why our plan isn't obvious?


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Italian Blue wrote:
Andain and Sal......Rest assured that Smorgan and his so called "Unity" Board are history......They are more concerned with self preservation instead of what is in the best interest of the club......

As for you Sal, tell Smorgan that TC members do vote and it is time to "GO" and March can't come quick enough......There is no need for the alternative ticket to reveal itself at this point in time however come early Jan 07 all will be revealed and the right people will take control of the club...


And as for you Italian Blue, I really hope for the last time I have to say I do not give a rats toss bag about Smorgon and hope he is ousted by the almighty threat the "TC" claims to be, get that through your ignorant head. F*&&%%$CK me


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TC is as big a threat as those Threatening Carnts who stand outside the school gates trying to act tough. ie., all hot air. These current TCs have been going on and on for about five years, the other TCs for decades before. They're all the same. Egos espousing how "mad" they are about what's happened to "my" club. I've heard it once, I've heard it a thousand times. Same old broken record.

Boring? You bet.


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Sal wrote:
I'm still forming a solid opinion hence the reason for my query on your thoughts and not as some of the sinister contributors have suggested but I would hope there would be good balance of "football" types and "business" oriented people as well as a contribution of a well credentialed media personality. That said and not taking into consideration tickets something to the effect of and in no particular order or portfolios
"Football" - F. Brown, R.D.Barrasi, Fitzpatrick, Kernahan, A. McKay, Williams and say a Phil Cleary.
"Business" - Ricky Munday, Gary Lyon or James Brayshaw, a legal type I think there's been one mooted, Lee, Moulton ?, Harrison ?.


So some smart Alec asks me my thoughts on an ideal board rather than just asking questions and when done not one of you either crapped on it or offered a constructive opinion which leads me to beleive that most of you are just using this medium to humour youselves and stir the pot. Yeah good on boys and girls real cutting edge stuff.


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In the interests of maintaining some credibility to this thread, can any of you declare who your board would be rather then the boring rhetoric currently making it's way on it.


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Sal wrote:
In the interests of maintaining some credibility to this thread, can any of you declare who your board would be rather then the boring rhetoric currently making it's way on it.


My board would be democratically elected by the voting members who would have the chance to hear from and hear what they would bring to a Board.

Why would some of the people you mention like Barrassi, Cleary, Brayshaw etc want to come on the Carlton Board, when some of them are supporters of other clubs? Some of your nominees are pure idiocy. Nothing personal, but when Barassi is put up as a suggestion, then I'm sorry to say but there's no credibility at all to the post.

Kernahan's been hopeless. What's he brought to the Board except to provide figurehead support for the incumbent President?

If you didn't know that Fitzpatrick is too busy, then sorry, but you've had your head in the sand. There's no point putting an "ideal" Board up because my ideal Board would include people like Roger Corbett, James Strong, Eddie McGuire, Daniel Grollo, Ahmed Fahour, Bill Clinton and Paul Keating. There's realistic and there's fairytale. What's the point of putting up an ideal Board? I've just rattled off names I'd like on there but fat chance of half of them even coming on.

The reason why people are taking the mickey out of you Sal is because what you're putting forward is pure fantasy and will not happen.

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verbs wrote:
The 2006 Financial Report makes their plan obvious?

Carlton haven't released their 2006 Financial Report yet...is that why our plan isn't obvious?


Verbs, where did you get obvious from? Insight does not mean obvious last time i checked. Maybe you missed Smorgon releasing his plan to Carlton members?

In the annual report for the Bulldogs you can see quite clearly some of the development plans the Bulldogs have in place to increase revenue streams, our plan that we know off is increase members and win more games. How hard would it of been for GS to put snippets of projects planned to increase our revenue in his "master piece".

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Sal wrote:
In the interests of maintaining some credibility to this thread, can any of you declare who your board would be rather then the boring rhetoric currently making it's way on it.


Just about anyone so long as they are not led by Smorgon. He has been the worst president of any club in the AFL in living memory. Just some of the highlights of 2006 have been:

His grovelling plea on the footy show miners benefit edition. Remember him saying that we might not have the money to pay our players, then having to call an emergency press conference to set the record straight!!!!!
One of the 10 wealthiest men in Australia begging to the AFL for $1.5 million, when presidents in the past, and of other clubs have given or lent their clubs much much more.


His botching of the coaching review and refusal to stand up to the NAB and AFL when it counted.
The refusal to release the Watts report so we can all see what is in it.
His botching of the CEO review
His pathetic attempts at spin doctoring with the back page article in the hun.
His refusal to do the honorable thing and step down when half his board asked him to (5 weeks ago)
His branch stacking of seats on the board which clearly flies in the face of the recommendations of the Watts report and his own proclamation that he was going to reduce the board to 7. Now we have 12 - purely to try to save his own skin.
Attacking Tom Elliot because of the sins of his father.
His inability to have or communicate a plan or a vision for this club

and on and on and on and on - these are just some of the highlights off the top of my head!.

Sal, thanks for the opportunity to relive the horror that has been the Presidency of Graham Smorgon


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