Pagan was on SEN this morning, went on and on and on about what a storm in a tea cup the whole thing is. Actually ran out of time and was still trying to talk as the news music came on. He really sounded like a doddering old fool who had been told to fix his mistakes.

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What a ridiculous situation for a football club to find themselves in.

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With my basic legal knowledge, I would suggest he has no chance as he suffered no damages from the information. He did not refuse a contract from anopther club, he did not buy a house in another state etc.


On another note, the sports comentator at 7.15 this morning on 3aw said it was not the board who overruled Pagan, it was the other coaches and match comittee. Crossisca, Ratten and Sticks were mentioned.

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Pagan was on SEN this morning trying to smooth it all over and paint a rosy picture down at the club.

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i don't agree with everything pagan does but I think he is still the best man for the job.

i applaude pagan for speaking out about the board 's interferecne.

how can a club be successful when you have the board trying to run the footy dept?
the board appoint the footy dept to do a job, because they are specialist in their field, its time the board stoped interfering with the footy dept.

If the board want to control the footy dept so much they should sack the whole footy dept and the board should start coahing the players and looking after recruitment.

the curent bord have some decisions to make:

back your decision to re appoint pagan and his footy dept and stay out of footy dept matters

admit they don't have no faith in pagan and the footy dept and release the entire footy dept and start from scratch.

accept responsibility for all their decisions and step down imedietly and let people come on to the board who will not act like children and stand by their decisions.

Whether you love him or hate him, we need to ALL acknowledge that he is a proud man, who has worked long and hard in his career.

No person deserves this type of dis-respect, which DP has been getting in spades.

It is all very well to sack him, not sack him but don't place him on a 2 inch leash because we are so flowered financially that we cannot afford to
pay him out and then expect him to toe the line to a Board that is beyond flowered.

In this matter, when DP said that the Board overruled him on Zantuck, I believe him more than I believe Smorgon,

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Well Said.

If the board see that the coach is about to make a horrendous mistake (picking Zantuck) then they are well entitled to stop this from happening. Pagan has lost his way big time and has become a relic. The fact that Pagan goes public on these matters is disgraceful

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Pagan is a relic and Smorgon is a goose

So what does all that make Kernahan?

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Oh how i love this . this just backs up every thing I have been saying about Pagan over the last few years the guy is a total @#$%&! wit.

Firstly he is out in public whinging that the board will not let him pick up a guy who has been kicked out of two clubs already and if he was that good would have been snapped up by some one else or even taken as a mature age Rookie. Did it happen NO

The move was a deliberate attempt by Pagan to one justify that his hands are tied by the board and he cant coach how he wants to and the other to try and create a destablising effect on what could only be described as a weak board.

Why would he do it "@#$%&! knows "because the the current mob that are trying to organise and alternative ticket for the board dont want him either so his job would be less secure than it is already.

There is more itelligence in a wet sock that what there is in Pagans brain and this underlies the plight of our football side over the last 4 years


Elliotts greatest legacy ...Mr Denis Pagan- he sure went out with a bang did Jack

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Good post SB except it was bloody Collins that re-signed him on the back of winning the Wiz Cup

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Ask yourself the question.
Would you prefer the kids we got in the draft or filling the list up with Gardiner, Longmuir, Chambers and Zantuck?

Be thankful we have a bunch of great kids with a rosy future.
Whoever made the decision, it was the right one.
If Denis cant accept that without destabilising the club, he knows where the door is.

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a legend, show some respect by spelling his name right

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If I were Denis I'd want a new board to come in and say either "here's your money, thanks for the memories, on ya way fella" or "you're the coach, now coach the team and get on with it."

The way it is now, he can't coach the way he wants, and they won't pay him out his contract that he and the then board entered into in good faith.

The interview yesterday, pagan never said the BOARD wouldn't let him, he was just TOLD ZANTUCK couldn't be recruited.

Then Smorgan gets his back up .

I have respect for him as a player, but that's where it stops.

Which camp is he in this week?

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Legend yes - astute football judge......

The facts of the matter however are that Pagan has a job to do and to that job at the best of his ability he needs to make the calls. If the board feel that he is not doing the correct job then replace him, if they feel that he is doing well then let him run his area as he seems fit.

The board obviously isn't comfortable with him and have to keep interfering. This highlights he is not the right man for the job and or the board does not have the right people in place to run the club.

fair enough George, just messing with you.

Duke I would get my back up also if the coach goes to the media over this issue, however GS shouldn't have gone to the media to deny the story that just gives it legs. Both in the wrong.

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You must be gagging on your tongue.....
Ok I'll bite....I 'll give you Fev as a success story courtsey of Pagan although with present events I might want to review that comment.
Stevens?.....isnt the player he was at Port...has been made to play with injuries and lost interest.....no cigar on that one..

Scotland....more about opportunity playing at a weaker club, I also think Scotland has matured which is credit to him rather than Pagan.

Simpson and Setanta I will credit Barry Mitchell...you know the bloke who lives on the opposite side of the ground to Denis.....

Thornton and Russell wanted out so I dont see that as a glowing endorsement of the footy dept and Denis..

Russell the next Daniel Kerr.....nice kid is JR and I would luv to see him be the next Kerr but I think thats aiming a tad high at this stage...

AW has progressed nicely but i think DOA is the one you need to ask about Pagans hand in that development.....

Denis recycled when he should have rebuilt, we got a wizard cup and he got a contract extension...I like others agreed to him being re-signed so I wont be calling myself astute..he fooled me like a few others..

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