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he has endorsed him now as he applies for a job at the club. Do you think he would say 'I think Denis has to go' and here is my CV?

Rats did not, however, endorse him leading up to or around those two days did he?

Only now after the event, while applying for a job has he endorsed him.

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Ratts wants Pagan's job, don't worry about that.

Pagan doesn't want ANYONE at the club who's deemed good enough to take his place.

See how difficult it is to attract top quality assistants with that sort of attitude?


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he has endorsed him now as he applies for a job at the club. Do you think he would say 'I think Denis has to go' and here is my CV?

Rats did not, however, endorse him leading up to or around those two days did he?

Only now after the event, while applying for a job has he endorsed him.


This is just another instance of interpreting events according to personal judgements. What if this was the first time a media outlet sought his views on the matter. Could it be the fact he was never previously approached, hence the silence until now. Also he could have stayed silent and not granted an interivew had it compromised his professional devemoplment.

Conundrum.


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yep you're right I'm just interpreting everything while you are the unbiased viewer.

I am certain I am interpreting. Try it sometime.

But answer me this

oif Rats is applying for a job (and he is he says so) do you think he would say anything other than he supports Denis?

Oh and remember as I have stated repeadedly I actually don;t vcare about Denis going or coming.

Its the Board I want gone! We are a laughing stock - @#$%&! even Couldabeens were pissing themselves about is (a club they usually simply ignore I might add)


We are a laughing stock because of them.

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I know a bloke who's ex-girlfriend's sister used to sleep with Ratts at Phillip Island. That's as much as I'm able to say at the moment. The current board don't know about the Phillip Island period but apparently there's big news to come...
















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Maclure just said it perfectly on 774

make your mind up

then do it! Don't change your mind..

It is not Denis per se, its the flip flop this board did once having made up their mind.

And its the leaks,. I can remember having an argument with Synners a while ago, and I said something like

I'll know this Club is strong again when blokes like you no longer get your information. I was not having a go at Synners as such (or I was) but was furious the club I lvoe was so piss weak it ran its self through the spreading of information through leaks.

This board leaks more than my old sneakers. We are the Sneaky Leakers!

We need a Board that works together and knows how to shut the @#$%&! up together.

Maclure just said he knew Tuesday the Board had changed its mind, would reappoint Pagan with SOS as assistant because people rang to tell him. He said I don;t want to know. Just do it.

Who are these @#$%&! people who just want to sprout like sprinklers on a summer's evening?

Clean this Board out and start again for @#$%&!'s sake!

Oh and Conundrum - what do you think? Think its all rosy with Denis, the Board and everyone?

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Sometimes with emotions running high the truth gets lots and we confuse fact with rhetoric. For example all along I have been under the mistaken belief that Ratten left the club after falling out with Pagan. Pagan the tyrant was the cause and he would not return to the club until Pagan has retired. More evidence of Pagan's poor people skills.

Yet in today's Sunday Age " Ratten told Triple M he would have secured Pagan's job and said he would like to a part of the coaching staff there one day" So in effect he endorses the decision to continue with Pagan at the helm and would love to go back to the Club.

Don't know who to believe anymore. The Sports Journos aren't the only ones with credibility problems.


And yet you're making judgements on an interview you didnt even hear! :lol:

It was easier to extract blood than get an endorsement of pagan in the interview. Ratten avoided the question until Sam Newman pulled him up and demanded he answer the question.
When he did say the should continue with Pagan, it was'nt a glowing endorsement, I can tell you.

The bloke has just sent CV's to all the Melbourne based clubs. There is no way he's going to actively bag a senior coach when he's trying to get a job with one.
And here you are having a shot at peoples interpretation yet you didnt even hear the interview. :lol:

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And don't take this the wrong way synners, but right now your posts are like a car accident.

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That's because whats Synbad's saying is true.

We are similar to a car accident!!!!!!!!


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I know jimmy... I know... :(


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Tis isn't about Pagan anymore.

This is a new ball game and about the board and the spasmotic message it has delivered directly or indirectly too the wider football community.

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Blue Vain wrote:
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Sometimes with emotions running high the truth gets lots and we confuse fact with rhetoric. For example all along I have been under the mistaken belief that Ratten left the club after falling out with Pagan. Pagan the tyrant was the cause and he would not return to the club until Pagan has retired. More evidence of Pagan's poor people skills.

Yet in today's Sunday Age " Ratten told Triple M he would have secured Pagan's job and said he would like to a part of the coaching staff there one day" So in effect he endorses the decision to continue with Pagan at the helm and would love to go back to the Club.

Don't know who to believe anymore. The Sports Journos aren't the only ones with credibility problems.


And yet you're making judgements on an interview you didnt even hear! :lol:

It was easier to extract blood than get an endorsement of pagan in the interview. Ratten avoided the question until Sam Newman pulled him up and demanded he answer the question.
When he did say the should continue with Pagan, it was'nt a glowing endorsement, I can tell you.

The bloke has just sent CV's to all the Melbourne based clubs. There is no way he's going to actively bag a senior coach when he's trying to get a job with one.
And here you are having a shot at peoples interpretation yet you didnt even hear the interview. :lol:


BV you don't have to go in defence of for your fellow poster Dannyboy. I wasn't having a shot at him, I just want to highlight how all of us can make the mistake in our interpretations and pass them on as facts.

The fact that I did not hear the interview is irrelevant. I disclosed the the source and quoted the newspaper. Dannyboy's interpretation just like yours may in the end be correct but we should desist from passing it off as if it is the truth. What you are insinuating is that Rattten deliberately lied to the interviewer, that Ratten is prepared to lie to enahnce his career prospects. Serious allegation particularly if it ain't true.


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I think what I am trying to do is piece all of it together and it smacks of lots of people at the club pushing for Pagan's head (including the Board).

Yet the Board changed their mind and kept him - why?

Now that they have kept him I hope players (past & present) do get behind him but I also hope a serious ticket to challenge this Board is being formed.

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Yes yes yes

This is the most crucial period for us since the end of 2002. Any decision to give up picks or recruit old injured hacks from other clubs with a potentially disruptive influence with the shortsighted view must be turned against.

If we do well this draft we add 5 200 game players to the club and get rid of the final 10 or so guys who arent going to make it.

Add a coach who can play the modern game and we can get back to winning.

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As usual Conundrum has clouded the issue surrounding this thread.

We have players that will be having operations over the next few weeks and won't have Mulkearns there to hold their hand through rehab.

So, what do they do when they come out of hospital? Who do they see? They could hit the gym on their own and most likely will start pumping weights with no real clue....................come December we could have quite a few guys with a wasted pre season staring them in the face.

It's not like a replacement is staring us in the face either. They don't grow on trees. there are a lot of guys who think they could do it, but it's different when you need to actually start calling the shots and do we really want to put this sort of thing in the hands of an amatuer?

Mulkearns was sacked for no other reason than "change for the sake of change". Someone had to go if it wasn't Denis. But, when you think of it, this is the ONE & ONLY AREA where we have actually done well at over the past 3 to 4 years.

Actually, after the saints injury debacle (again) on Friday night, I'd lay some money on Mulkearns scoring a job down at Morrabbin.


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Just when I thought this saga couldn't get any worse.... What an absolute disgrace. How can you not immediately replace a strength and conditioning coach when you have players coming out of post-season ops. And not just any players, Walker, Murphy and Kennedy are the future of this club and they are being put at serious risk.

Surely the board has a duty of care to uphold? This goes beyond being incompetent, this is negligence. I am absolutely furious.... this board must go NOW!

I'd be hoping that the physios are in charge of Walker, Murphy and the like slo_mo. ;)

And as for Mulkearns being the top of his field, I'd also suggest that we could do a lot better with a good strength & conditioning coach, and a refresh on our attitudes regarding player's body shapes.

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refresh as in eddie becoming byron?

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refresh as in eddie becoming byron?

I was more angling for some I consider to be a bit too top heavy, like Stevens and Houlihan for example.

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you a thigh man, Jim?

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you a thigh man, Jim?

Breast.

We're talking about chicken yeah? :lol:

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