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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:55 am 
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I think you're wrong because there were a total of 57 errors for the game but that says there were 19 handling errors so I assume the remainder would be disposal errors etc.


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Or the time where he just stood and watched Thornton get run down which resulted in a goal when he should have used his voice and called it out to him, that doesn't count as a clanger either.


He didn't stand and watch. You can see him waving at him to hurry up just before it happened. There were 4 or 5 players around him but you only hold one responsible.

Errors are recorded here:
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/gam ... id=2006123

He made 4 errors out of 24 disposals according to independent experts. That's hardly an error riddled game. Is at least prepared to take a few risks but sometimes they don't come off. The more you get of the ball the more likely you are to make errors. He got more of it than Campo & had more effect on the game. Sure every one made errors. Where's your analysis of Kouta's error riddled game? Or anyone else. We know you can't stand him. Your constant bagging's getting a bit tiresome. Enough's enough.

As I said make of those rankings whatever you want.


I'll go watch it again..........i'm sure i can remember him just standing there watching it happen. No talking by anybody really!

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Edit..............see updated post below.

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Or the time where he just stood and watched Thornton get run down which resulted in a goal when he should have used his voice and called it out to him, that doesn't count as a clanger either.


He didn't stand and watch. You can see him waving at him to hurry up just before it happened. There were 4 or 5 players around him but you only hold one responsible.

Errors are recorded here:
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/gam ... id=2006123

He made 4 errors out of 24 disposals according to independent experts. That's hardly an error riddled game. Is at least prepared to take a few risks but sometimes they don't come off. The more you get of the ball the more likely you are to make errors. He got more of it than Campo & had more effect on the game. Sure every one made errors. Where's your analysis of Kouta's error riddled game? Or anyone else. We know you can't stand him. Your constant bagging's getting a bit tiresome. Enough's enough.

As I said make of those rankings whatever you want.


Houlihan didnt attempt to block or shepherd the tackler...he waited for the handpass..he wanted the soft possie...not the 1% er....wont be a good footballer and we wont be a good team until we start doing those things...
I would have backed Kade Simpson for example to do more than just stand there and wait for the handpass....I would have dragged Houlihan for that error and explained what is required or any other player who didnt
do the right thing.....you want Thornton to back himself but he needs to know other players are backing him up as well.....Adam Bentick is very good at laying shepherds for his teammates and we need more players who are willing to do some of the unfashionable aspects of the game....

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He made 4 errors out of 24 disposals according to independent experts. That's hardly an error riddled game. Is at least prepared to take a few risks but sometimes they don't come off. The more you get of the ball the more likely you are to make errors. He got more of it than Campo & had more effect on the game. Sure every one made errors. Where's your analysis of Kouta's error riddled game? Or anyone else. We know you can't stand him. Your constant bagging's getting a bit tiresome. Enough's enough.
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EASE UP MATE!

I'm entitled to my opinion. I've never attacked your views, so leave me with mine.

I also gave Houlihan credit and acknoledged some of his decent efforts.................but somehow you failed to notice that, instead oipting to find only the negative points??????

In case you didn't know, your more than welcome and are entitled to have you opininons regardless if i aggree or disagree..................and vice versa.

Kouta did make some silly mistakes. The handball out of bounds, the kick out of bounds, the kicking at goal that should have put us in front. But he also made a contest up forward that nobody else was doing (bar Fev).

But Waite and Kouta have just got back from injury so i was expecting a few mistakes and bad choices from them (albeit......not 7 Clangers! :shock: )

In the end, everybody was making mistakes which is a real shame. Hopefully it will improve next week against freo.

But i'll say it again BlueWorld. My reasoning for starting this thread was not to point fingers and ridicule players, it was mearly to figure out why some players got higher ranking points than others who have far more impact on the game! Case Closed!

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Adam Bentick is very good at laying shepherds for his teammates and we need more players who are willing to do some of the unfashionable aspects of the game


Yeah.....totally aggree mate! He's fantastic at doing that!

but unfortunatly that doesn't get taken into account when counting up ranking points! Which is a total shame!

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No he told him he was about to get run down & to give him the ball so he could clear it. Did he get dragged? Runner went out & spoke to Stevens who caused the problem & Thornton. Simpson wasn't far away, as were a few other players. But let's blame it all on one player as usual.

Yes Ryan let's close it. Ranking points are just an aggregate of stats & there are many other ways to judge player's effect on games, such as 1%ers, score assists etc.


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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Houlihan didnt attempt to block or shepherd the tackler...he waited for the handpass..he wanted the soft possie...not the 1% er....wont be a good footballer and we wont be a good team until we start doing those things...
I would have backed Kade Simpson for example to do more than just stand there and wait for the handpass....I would have dragged Houlihan for that error and explained what is required or any other player who didnt
do the right thing.....you want Thornton to back himself but he needs to know other players are backing him up as well.....Adam Bentick is very good at laying shepherds for his teammates and we need more players who are willing to do some of the unfashionable aspects of the game....

Spot on.

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With regards to Champion Data stats that appear in the Herald Sun, they are provided by Champion Data - the Herald Sun does not play with the figures as seems to be the general belief on this thread.

If the interpretations are wrong, then we need to blame Teddy Hopkins who is the MD of Champion Data. :shock:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:47 pm 
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ryan2000 wrote:
Was reading the Herald Sun and i was SHOCKED to see Kouta (whom i thought was one of our better players for the day) had the 4th lowest ranking points.

What shocked me even more was seeing players like McGrath/French higher than him???

What shocked me even more is that Kouta is listed as having 7 Clangers, whilst McGrath is listed as having none! Nuthing! Zip!

WTF????? :shock: :? :shock:

Just watched a replay of the game and i have no idea how the Herald Sun comes up with these F@%&#! scores. I really don't.

Clanger, in the Sun, is listed as:-
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Blatant unforced error incl out on the full.


So does that mean the pathetic grubber of a kick from Mcgrath that couldn't even hit a running Kennedy who was just 30mtrs out from goal, WASN'T an error?

Or the crap handball to nobody late in the last quater that resulted in an Essendon* goal to Hille................THAT WASN'T AN ERROR?

French did F@%&#! all thourghout the whole day, was destroyed in the ruck, and he gets a better score than Chris Bryan????

French - 8 Pos, 2 marks, 11 hit-outs, 1 (so-called) clanger and 0 goals 0 behinds = 76 Ranking points?????????????????

Bryan - 12 Pos, 7 Marks, 14 Hiy-outs, 1 (so-called) clanger and 1 goal 1 behind = 64 Ranking points??????????????????

That's a laugh! :o

Stevens & Houlihans game was riddled with Errors yet they still make it in the best?
(Note:- i'll back away from Houla cause whilst he made a few errors that reulted in turn-overs etc, etc, he DID keep Campo to a low 17 disposals which is an achievement. And he did set up a goal for Fev and kicked one of his own!)

Walker was listed as having a 'Dirty Game' by both commentators on Fox Footy. But after watching it again, i'm thinking he had a pretty decent game.

Walker was responsible for 3 CRUCIAL Spoils in the last qtr alone, including one in the dying 20sec of the game that could have resulted in Essendon* gaining just that extra point needed to win the game!

Does everybody believe that Walker's game was that BAD? Or Kouta's?


I was stunned to see that Mcgrath had no clangers listed also then my brother who is also a blue just started laughing. McGrath makes these basic skill errors every week and Carlton tolerate him. Walker kicked a nice goal and made some good spoils at key moments. McGrath wilted under pressure-but then again he normally wilts when theres no pressure.


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Watch the past fews weeks again and you will find McGrath is actually one of our better disposers of the ball, one of the only players who makes space for himself and others, performs the one percenters for his teammates and provides strong defensive pressure with his tackling. Obviously not a superstar, but adds consistency at present, something we lack.

If you want to pick on McGrath for his disposal then lets also focus on Walker, Carrazzo, Carlos, French and Stevens also.

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