They need a reason to lead

and I never said the captain was only a top ten pick i said according to the so called experts young Mr Murphy would be lucky to be a top ten pick this year.

You should know me better than that by now Danny - I dont care where they are picked there are probably 10000 kids playing U18 and 40-60 get picked up in the draft - At that level and at that age the difference between pick 1-40 would be minimal if developed right . We treat it like its a choice between a single figure handicapper and a bloke off 32 where in reality these kids are all single figures except one might be off 1 and another off 3 - Not much difference

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I say joint Captains is the go. Murphy is a star in the making, lets secure him and develop him with a direct leadership role, but couple it with a co captian that is seasoned and proven.

Cant be Whitnall, cant be Fevola (can it???) and most certainly cant be Stephens.

I say Lappin is the man - partly becasue I think he is an out and out champion, partly becasue I am sure that most wont agree and like to spark a bit of debate!

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he da man - obvious choice as others have said.

but, probably Stevens despite any perceived witnesses deserves a go - at least for a couple of years which then makes it difficult for Whitts as despite improved fitness, his body may not have held out by 2008

Rich

So who's the captain going to be now?

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17 4 10

Ill let you off because i notice your age... and im feeling generous and happy.

as for Lance????Get real you guys!!!.. he is struggling in the mobility stakes as it is right now... 5% drop in body and he is [REDACTED]!!!...

Forget him!!

Trade candidate if i have ever seen one...

We need a kid like Albert Proud...!!!...

Just one other thing... in the mid sixties we had a vision and that vision was to bring a leader to the club from elsewhere that could change the consitution of this footy club.
We went out and got Barassi and thats exactly what he did.. on and off the field.

It might be time for us to go that way again.

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Lance wins hands down on the 'guts' stakes so he is our leader then...

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Sticks was about 23 and had played a number of years in the SANFL.

Lance will be captain, whether people like it or not, that's just the way it is.

If that happens.. and my mail is / was that it would be stevens .... having Lance captain would be just another in a long line of unimaginative, reactionary,shortsighted decisions that have ended up as a mountain of mistakes that were still trying to overcome.

The guy is walking a tightrope in actually being physically capable of playing the game .
Just as Kouta won the John Nicholls last year and this year is not physically capable... so too will Lance in this modern game hit the wall.

There are times there when he is trying to play the game where he looks like he is one of us on the field... his body is not supple enough.. and a small drop in his physical capabilities and we might as well have Ironside captain... from the series 'Ironside'

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Synbad wrote:

Yeh whatever!!!!!! You need to consider some anti-depressants dude. The rest of us are just enjoying watching the All-Australian CHB have his career best season. No, he might not be the perfect choice as future carlton captain but, give it a rest already. Your shit is F*cking boring!

Oh look.. its Luca... the insightful one.... a discussion on leadership and he adds his bit ... ("Stop it Synbad.... stop bagging Lance.... Lance is an All Australian... you dont know nothing Synbad...."

Career best season????...


Just out of interest are you out of your teens ???

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*Deep sigh*

Synners - quite a serious question for you...

What do you want out of Lance?

Last season he was overpaid, overweight and underperforming in a team that lacked leadership. You correctly identified each of these issues and many agreed with you.

This season he is (reportedly) on significantly lower pay, in better shape, performing out of his skin, and displaying leadership that we've not seen in our team for 4 years.

So...

without turning this into a discussion about US foreign policy, dipping into the sarcasm barrell, or reaching for multiple exclamation marks, I'm quite interested to know:

What do you as a supporter want out of Lance that you're not currently getting?

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Congratulations CK95

Too deep; you're going to destroy the man.

Look, im happy with Lance he has for thr first time in 4 years performed.
This is about leadership.. with some people suggesting he is captaincy material.

Whilst he has some qualities to suggest he would do ok.. he laso has quite a few question marks over himself and coupling that with where were at right now as well as what we need and where Lance will be in a couple of years considering how he moves around the park today... i think i have answered the thread.. and you guys are off the track....

Have i answered things again???

Or do we continue this in the Lance thread under players??

Over to you bluehammer/ moderator

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Robert Walls tonight when asked about the issue stated he felt that Lance would be better off without the Captaincy to concentrate on playing good football - suggesting he would be a part of the leadership group anyway. Walls felt that Nick Stevens would be a better option.

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I mostly agree with Wallsy, but not this time. Go Lance!! The suspense is killing me.

Nick Stevens captain?
Lance WHitnall captain?
Brendan Fevola captain?

There are question marks on all of them.

I don't believe there is any stand out for captain.

There are question marks over Stevens, not the least his tendency to drop his head when getting beaten. That's not leadership;

Lance needs to continue to concentrate on his footy, which is fantastic currently, and lead as he now does. It is possible he would thrive on the position, as others have in the past, but IMHO he is too important to distract at this time.

The Mighty Shag is not the answer - that would be too much of a compromise. Let him ply his genius, not curb his exuberance. Anyway, I don't believe Full Forward captains work, the captain needs to be in the fray.

Murphy may be an inspired choice, but he is very young. However, the maturity he has shown in his debut season suggests that he might handle it. It would oprovide us with continuity over a long period through the rebuilding.

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And the pause just goes to show how much we lack at the middle to upper levels of our playing group at the club.

Maybe Synbad is correct . Maybe we need to import the Captain.

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Probably the best analogy I've heard in relation to draft picks.

With regards to leadership. I've never been a huge fan of rotating captains, but if there is no one standout we may be better served picking half a dozen.

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