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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:02 pm 
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Walker will see plenty of the ball playing off Robbo and I don't think he's quite so easy to push off the ball.

I'm chewing gum at the moment and just bit the hell out of my tongue... motherf$%@#r!

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...oh and i agree re AW

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I would be using Walker in the midfield and trying win the game rather than save it..if Robertson gets enough supply he will get the better of whoeva we put on him.
Robbo also gets a fair amount of help from his teammates who screen defenders off him so he can go one out or even uncontested where the ball just seems to find him at the back of a pack..how often do you see him run into goal after taking an easy chest mark.

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Tell me how Walker wouldn't be trying to win the game playing on Robbo?

Here's an example passage:

"Yze, kicks to Robbo who's charging up from 10 metres out on a short lead;
Walker spoils successfully and cleans up the crumb and breaks clear from Robertson with sheer pace;
Walker with a beautiful pass to Simpson who hits Fevola lace out 38 metres out, directly infront."

You need to have quality runners in defense, Lappin is arguably the best disposer of the ball at the club - where has his best footy been? Half-back. You create the play from there and our two biggest issues are delivery to the forward line and this is usually compounded by the disposer being placed under pressure.

Walker will run out of the 50 and draw a man or two then look for a longish option.

Please, please, please, please consider the possible reasons for positional placements before discrediting a coach. If Walker changes his game style then he could well become a reliable tall midfielder. At the moment he will be a fantastic attacking HB who will provide quality use of the footy, and will probably push most of the time into the midfield. Against Robbo though he needs to go a little deeper. Hardly a discredit to him to play on a medium forward who kicked 69 in the regular season last year.

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jimmae wrote:
Please, please, please, please consider the possible reasons for positional placements before discrediting a coach. If Walker changes his game style then he could well become a reliable tall midfielder. At the moment he will be a fantastic attacking HB who will provide quality use of the footy, and will probably push most of the time into the midfield. Against Robbo though he needs to go a little deeper. Hardly a discredit to him to play on a medium forward who kicked 69 in the regular season last year.



Know where you are coming from Jimmae - but for once I would like to see us attack with our aces rather than using them to stop us from losing.

Rather see AW killing Melbourne from the wing and having to worry about him rather than us worrying about Robertson. I would rather put Bannister on Robertson (and concede the 6 goals :roll: ), and have AW do his best to bust up Melbourne in the mid-field and maybe snag a couple from the wing.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:48 pm 
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He has murdered Teaguey the last 3 times he has played on him.Thorton has to play on him and I suspect Lance or livo on Neitz .Im presuming Saddo wont play.If Johnson plays at chf then lance is his man.
Carrazzo on Davey with McGrath as back up.Sporn on Bruce who despite claims cant be fit.
Not to sure about Byron but perhaps Mcgrath as he wouldnt be intimidated by him.With Teague as back up though pace is still a concern

At the very least I like Elwood want Walker to be released as our attacking hbf or winger - need plenty of pace and run at Telstra Dome.


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"... Walker with a beautiful pass ..." that's a part I'm struggling to imagine, altho mis-kick marked by Bizzel or Whelan comes fairly naturally ...

I favour Miller in the forward line and PJ out of the team. PJ has played there pre-season but that was with 24 or 26, I can't fit him in but I could easily be wrong. If he plays then Teague would be a good match up, PJ is weak in the air.

Forward line rotating with Neitz, Robertson, Miller, Bruce, Pickett and Davey in there somewhere. Green, Yze and Sylvia will exchange at times for the latter three.

As Elwood says it'll be won in the midfield:
Starters:
White, Johnstone, Sylvia, Green, Moloney, McDonald
Relief:
Bruce, Pickett, Davey, Yze plus

My backline looks like:
Nicholson, Carroll, Bizzell, Wheatley, Whelan, Yze/Brown
And you thought you had problems!!!

Interchange:
Jamar (relieve White),
Brown (small back to free Yze),
Motlop (mid or forward)
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Walker. We don't have much chance of winning if we can't shut down Robbo.


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old55 wrote:
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My backline looks like:
Nicholson, Carroll, Bizzell, Wheatley, Whelan, Yze/Brown
And you thought you had problems!!!

Interchange:


Yep thats where i think Carlton can win the game up forward IF we play attacking football. Melbourne's defence will be their downfall again this season. Big Al on a mentally alert Fevola will be destroyed, Wheatley on Waite woud be a good matchup.

I'm hoping both Bruce and Moloney have another run in the magoos :wink:

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Match ups - Carroll on Fev Wheatley on Waite- whelan/brown on betts - bizzel on fisher- Nicholson on Deluca - YZE on other forward but probably not if other forward is Setanta - this may mean miller has to go back


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old55 wrote:
"... Walker with a beautiful pass ..." that's a part I'm struggling to imagine, altho mis-kick marked by Bizzel or Whelan comes fairly naturally ...


We taught Earl Spalding how to kick. Did you struggle with that as well?


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frank dardew wrote:
Match ups - Carroll on Fev Wheatley on Waite- whelan/brown on betts - bizzel on fisher- Nicholson on Deluca - YZE on other forward but probably not if other forward is Setanta - this may mean miller has to go back


Frank is on the money there. I would be very surprised if you went for 5 talls at once - Fev, Waite, Fisher, DeLuca and Setanta. Four at a time would be plenty ...

Our backline is poor but it looks almost reasonable if Rivers is substituted for Nicholson or Carroll in later games. But as discussed - our midfield has to at least break even or we lose.

Earl was a very good player and he got a flag but he still couldn't kick!


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old55 what happened to Ferguson? He looked ok, if a little light on.

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I was presuming that Rivers wont play given seriousness of injury and Danaher I suspect wont go in with rivers bruce and moloney all underdone
Having said all that do have horrible memories of a game at the G 2 years ago where in first quarter Rivers didnt have an opponent and got about 10 possessions in the backline and set up about 5 goals by quarter time and everything rivers didnt get carroll mopped up and murdered fev - no one got near Nathan G Brown for the first halfs as he weaved his way out of defence so I dont underestimate your defence.


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jimmae wrote:
old55 what happened to Ferguson? He looked ok, if a little light on.


IMO just NQR. Courageous, reasonably composed (compared with Nicho), but is exposed one-on-one by e.g. Playfair and McPharlane and can't make up for it with pace he does not have. Will get games but will also play a fair bit at Sandy. He has a 2 year contract so who knows ...


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"... Walker with a beautiful pass ..." that's a part I'm struggling to imagine, altho mis-kick marked by Bizzel or Whelan comes fairly naturally ...


Well Bizzel hasn't marked anything for over 12 months, but good luck with that ...

I imagine you will get more used to the phrase 'Walker runs down the SLOW moving McClean from behind whilst Sylvia is left on the boundary stroking his tender groin'


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Ferguson is listed at 85 kgs... there's your issue right there.

Just going through your list you seem to have a tonne of NQR talls - bit of a shame.

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I'd put T-Bird on Robbo & Whitnall on Neitz.

Fingers crossed Moloney & Bruce don't play, we need all the help we can get :wink:

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jimmae wrote:
Ferguson is listed at 85 kgs... there's your issue right there.

Just going through your list you seem to have a tonne of NQR talls - bit of a shame.


Quite correct on both counts. I think he might be 86 or 87 now tho ...


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jimmae wrote:
Ferguson is listed at 85 kgs... there's your issue right there.

Just going through your list you seem to have a tonne of NQR talls - bit of a shame.


Quite correct on both counts. I think he might be 86 or 87 now tho ...

I liken him to Thornton - which means there's hope for him yet if he puts his head down :)

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Will Nathan Jones get a game 55.Seems to be a ready made on baller.Has a 21 year old body for someone who has just turned 18.Look ok in some of the nab games.


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