R18: Carlton v Hawthorn (post-match discussion)

bondiblue · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 10:43 am

AGRO wrote:

bondiblue wrote:

Umpires were putrid in the first half. Shocking.
See Fox commentators and football people.
2 nd half umpires continued to confuse us all.
Hawks forwards literally given unwarranted frees and kicked goals from them.

I thought we started well with first goal, but then Umpires gave them 3 gifts in the first quarter which took the wind out of our sails.

This took our momentum as in previous 7 weeks we got off to good starts and were able to control games somewhat.

No doubt Hawthorn better than us and I’m pretty sick of being bitch slapped by them for the best part of 25 years. :mad:

Hope we can respond against Filth - which really now is an 8 point game.

Amen

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 10:44 am

We were 2 points down at quarter time and a bit more composure from Gov we could have been in front.

The game turned on its head when Hewett went off.

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bondiblue · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 10:57 am

Hewett has 9 disposals and leading disposals on the ground on a night made for a player who has dominated on dry fast tracks. We only enjoyed his presence for 15 minutes.

Big bodies Hewett Weitering and Acres was exactly what we needed last night. Cripps didn’t dominate in the conditions. IMO he was doing too much watching. We seemed timid. Instead of smashing in to win ball and give them something to think about, whilst wearing them out, we were 2nd to ball.

Our skinny bodies were exposed Hollands 22 Ison 19 Smith 20. The latter 2 will build up the bodies, but that will take 3-4 years. Ollie? He’s no Simmo.

Riley 22 was skinny compared to Meek, but he will build up too, as will Wilson 21 and Dean 19.

I was disappointed with those with bigger bodies, proving they are fringe players, and depth at best: our gaps.

Kemp, KPF McKay KPF Derksen KPD and lost the Ruck. Whats glaring is we haven’t covered the loss of TDK SOS and Curnow. That’s the challenge if we are to challenge for Top 4.

Season is still alive. Reality check. Losing this wasn’t a surprise.

Effes · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 10:57 am

bluechampion wrote:

I reckon we've actually gone flat the last month, we just happened to play teams that are worse than we are and kept on winning.

Generally agree although the performance against WCE was good.

Kemp seems to lack forward craft/want the ball kicked over the back so often.

Lack of a genuine physical key forward with workrate is a big missing piece.

Hewett a big loss. Wonder if Lord comes in and Cerra stays out on the wing.

Ollie Hollands had little to no impact.

Ison is obviously a first year player but hopefully his poor conversion isn't a long term issue - he has kicked 3.10 this year.

Hawks midfield is very dynamic....yes Gawn gave Meek a bath last week but putting aside their ruck setup, each mid brings something different.

MPH78 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 11:05 am

Lucky for me I haven’t seen a single second of the game. That will remain the case.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 11:07 am

Effes wrote:

bluechampion wrote:

I reckon we've actually gone flat the last month, we just happened to play teams that are worse than we are and kept on winning.

Generally agree although the performance against WCE was good.

Kemp seems to lack forward craft/want the ball kicked over the back so often.

Lack of a genuine physical key forward with workrate is a big missing piece.

Hewett a big loss. Wonder if Lord comes in and Cerra stays out on the wing.

Ollie Hollands had little to no impact.

Ison is obviously a first year player but hopefully his poor conversion isn't a long term issue - he has kicked 3.10 this year.

Hawks midfield is very dynamic....yes Gawn gave Meek a bath last week but putting aside their ruck setup, each mid brings something different.

Agree with all of this. Kemp is a HF, or depth. You look at old man Gunstan and his forward craft is a reflection of Footy IQ. Kemp lacks that. He’s all grunt and hopeful tricks.

Hawks mids are solid and quick by foot and hand. Well drilled. Respect.
Outside Cerra and Walsh our mids were ambushed.

I thought Ainsworth was also very quiet in the heat and outside where he was missing.

AGRO · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 11:12 am

Not only am I sick of being Hawthorns bitches for the best part of 25 years, I’m a bit sick of me being more annoyed about it than our players/club.

:roll:

bondiblue · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 11:13 am

MPH78 wrote:

Lucky for me I haven’t seen a single second of the game. That will remain the case.

IMO, the worst game of the year.

Conditions were shocking…non playable.

Other than Hewett and Cerra, they adapted quicker to conditions. We played dry weather footy when it was raining, then adjusted, but the rain stopped. They played dry weather fort thereafter and we continued to play wet weather footy.

Fraser and Voss can tell them what to do, but at the end of the day, if players don’t have the footy IQ for top level AFL, they haven’t got it.

Don’t bother. Go watch the replay of the WCE, Port or GWS games instead. Dogs wins was good too, and the last 2 minutes vs Cats… loop it.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 11:18 am

AGRO wrote:

Not only am I sick of being Hawthorns bitches for the best part of 25 years, I’m a bit sick of me being more annoyed about it than our players/club.

:roll:

Me too. I’m proud of what the players have achieved in the last 7 games.

Hawks bring back nightmare games and moments. Today, the Fev miss in 15m in front of goal after the siren. :oops:

I’m not returning calls to ally of these smug Hawks fans. No mates of mine till we turn the tables, or they want to talk about anything but bird talk: the feathered variety.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 11:27 am

Loved AGRO,s post in match thread :grin:

Cardinal Pell must be the umpires advisor for this game. :mad:

Meek and his mongrel mates were jumping on the backs our blokes , knees down, no frees.

At that early stage in the first, I think Meek had brutalised Hewett, Ison smashed and Riley smiled and no obvious in the back door frees to Cerra, Hayward and Walsh. It was one way traffic :roll:

Crusader · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 11:32 am

AGRO wrote:

Not only am I sick of being Hawthorns bitches for the best part of 25 years, I’m a bit sick of me being more annoyed about it than our players/club.

:roll:

Same.

It starts with the captain.

bluehammer · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 11:37 am

Last 20 years...

Hawthorn 24
Carlton 4

We just don't beat hawthorn

CK95 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 11:44 am

Took a mate's kids to their first ever AFL game

Not the greatest choice :lol:

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sinbagger · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 12:20 pm

CK95 wrote:

Took a mate's kids to their first ever AFL game

Not the greatest choice :lol:

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Hopefully all they remember is the freezing cold

sinbagger · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 12:25 pm

bondiblue wrote:

Hewett has 9 disposals and leading disposals on the ground on a night made for a player who has dominated on dry fast tracks. We only enjoyed his presence for 15 minutes.

Big bodies Hewett Weitering and Acres was exactly what we needed last night. Cripps didn’t dominate in the conditions. IMO he was doing too much watching. We seemed timid. Instead of smashing in to win ball and give them something to think about, whilst wearing them out, we were 2nd to ball.

Our skinny bodies were exposed Hollands 22 Ison 19 Smith 20. The latter 2 will build up the bodies, but that will take 3-4 years. Ollie? He’s no Simmo.

Riley 22 was skinny compared to Meek, but he will build up too, as will Wilson 21 and Dean 19.

I was disappointed with those with bigger bodies, proving they are fringe players, and depth at best: our gaps.

Kemp, KPF McKay KPF Derksen KPD and lost the Ruck. Whats glaring is we haven’t covered the loss of TDK SOS and Curnow. That’s the challenge if we are to challenge for Top 4.

Season is still alive. Reality check. Losing this wasn’t a surprise.

Agree with all this except missing Curnow, Charlie would have been useless last night, but Ed would have made a difference.

Yes we lacked mature bodies of Weitering, Pittonet, Acres and Hewett, but it was also the maturity of the team overall. The hawks have been playing in a strong system together for many years now, which helped them adapt better to the outlier conditions. I feel confident it would have been a very close game if it was dry conditions start to finish.

sinbagger · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 12:30 pm

@#$%&! I felt shit after the loss last night. I have been trying so hard to not get carried away with our winning streak, but the team had really sucked me in and I felt sick with worry even before the first bounce because I realised how much I was hoping for a win. I actually went looking for the worry room on TC but the only one I could find was an old locked one, it shouldn’t be allowed to lock any worry rooms!

Lucky my wife was away for the weekend, she’s been enjoying my improved mood from our wins.

CK95 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 12:44 pm

sinbagger wrote:

@#$%&! I felt shit after the loss last night. I have been trying so hard to not get carried away with our winning streak, but the team had really sucked me in and I felt sick with worry even before the first bounce because I realised how much I was hoping for a win. I actually went looking for the worry room on TC but the only one I could find was an old locked one, it shouldn’t be allowed to lock any worry rooms!

Lucky my wife was away for the weekend, she’s been enjoying my improved mood from our wins.

Will this do?

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AGRO · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 12:47 pm

bondiblue wrote:

Loved AGRO,s post in match thread :grin:

Cardinal Pell must be the umpires advisor for this game. :mad:

Meek and his mongrel mates were jumping on the backs our blokes , knees down, no frees.

At that early stage in the first, I think Meek had brutalised Hewett, Ison smashed and Riley smiled and no obvious in the back door frees to Cerra, Hayward and Walsh. It was one way traffic :roll:

Might start spending a little more time here - other place is getting bitchy and wokey.

:lol:

Mickstar · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 8723

bondiblue wrote:

MPH78 wrote:

Lucky for me I haven’t seen a single second of the game. That will remain the case.

IMO, the worst game of the year.

Conditions were shocking…non playable.

Other than Hewett and Cerra, they adapted quicker to conditions. We played dry weather footy when it was raining, then adjusted, but the rain stopped. They played dry weather fort thereafter and we continued to play wet weather footy.

Fraser and Voss can tell them what to do, but at the end of the day, if players don’t have the footy IQ for top level AFL, they haven’t got it.

Don’t bother. Go watch the replay of the WCE, Port or GWS games instead. Dogs wins was good too, and the last 2 minutes vs Cats… loop it.

Yep , agree with the Voss / Fraser comments . Coach can say what he likes but its the onfield leaders who set the tone . Onfield leaders are just as important as the Coach for mine .

GreatEx · **Posted:** Sun Jul 12, 2026 12:54 pm

Strong agree with bondi re: Weitering. We are right to be excited about Dean, but he's still a teenage beanpole, 3 years away from having the strength to succeed Weitering, who remains an essential player unless we can trade in sometime similar (who?). Dean has also benefited from an improved team defensive structure, but when you're against top sides you also need elite individuals.

R18: Carlton v Hawthorn (post-match discussion)

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