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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 10:43 am 
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If Josh can take us through that and out the other side without them falling apart - Appoint him



They'd at least have to invite him to apply should we make the 10.

Without going through the numbers, to the eye it looks like we're handballing more & kicking less. Which is good because some of our field kicking against Geelong was shocking :razz:

Conversely some of our handball chains lately make us look like a top side.

Of his wins, I thought the game against the Dogs was a pretty terrible standard for 3q, & the Port match the oppo were very sub par. But can't ignore Friday night, absolute breakout win since he took over.

The kids are getting a game but it's a bit of a myth to say that Voss didn't play kids. Last year was a terrible season but one of the positives out of it was we unearthed some good young talent.

I get the feeling Fraser's persona is just what the squad needs at the moment. For all Voss' failings, his strength appeared to be his connection & relationship building with the players. But maybe that was also his greatest undoing. Maybe at the end they were so stressed & nervous about their mate losing his job that they kept showing it on field & shitting the bed when the pressure came on.

With Fraser it's different. You see him interviewed & he's all business - not an asshole or anything, but more a pure coach who the players aren't going to hate, but also aren't going to be emotionally invested in. He reminds me a bit of Longmuir of Fremantle, who I have a lot of time for.



4 weeks ago the results mattered some ones job was on the line - the playing group hasn't been able to handle this expectation for years

Now results don't matter - just go out and play

we haven't had a coach in years who has been able to get this team up when results count

We will see after this block of 4 games and if we are pressing for wild card and expectations rise if Josh can get through to the playing group

We still have some talented players on the list but they are the most mentally fragile group in the entire comp

It is breaking through that which is going to be difficult for anyone who takes over and this has hung around for nearly 30 years - Even the 99 Prelim was a free hit no one expected us to win and the following week when there were high expectations we failed dismally - Same applies to the prelim against Brisbane we put ourselves in a terrifc position to win that game but they couldn't handle it

I don't know a lot about Josh and his coaching abilities but it is getting over the mental barrier that is the issue not positional changes or ball movement


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 9:29 pm 
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Pat's Fitztrick wrote:
I can't vouch for the accuracy of these figures.

But they sure make good reading.

From "If not Voss, then who?" in relation to those stats.
Hornet wrote:
https://x.com/ESPNAusNZ/status/2059501885514473875

18th for the bomb, bomb, bomb?

Sidefx wrote:
They got you good with those stats Hornet.
The first 5 rounds we were putrid.
But with a new game plan and 6 new players, logically it was going to take time.
So to position this as Voss v Fraser 2 games in, is just really good click bait.
If you watched the video I posted on the previous page from Daniel Hoyne you would understand.
For the last 6 weeks (4 Voss & 2 Fraser) we have been:
#1 Transition from D50 to F50
#1 Scoring from D50 to F50
#3 Uncontested marks
#3 45 degree kicks.

Of the stats from ESPN I can only find the stats for D50 to F50 (on Wheelo ratings) and that is as follows:
Last 10 weeks - #7th (25% average)
Last 5 weeks - #1 (33.7% average)

This is our game breakdown for that stat:
Round 0 - 13.3%
Round 1 - 16%
Round 3 - 19.6%
Round 4 - 27.3%
Round 5 - 11.9%
Round 6 - 18.4%
Round 7 - 26.7%
Round 8 - 45.2%
Round 9 - 31%
Round 10 - 33.3%
Round 11 - 33.3%

I am surprised I couldn't find an uncontested mark stat for all teams, however I found this.
We are number 5 for contested marks and number 10 for marks this season on AFL site.
And for example in Round 0 we took 69 marks, 8 of those were contested and 13 were intercept marks.

Logically, we have been building this game plan all season and it looks like it is finally working.
Fraser and all the interviewed players have all said this also.
The coaching team have been working tirelessly in the background building, changing and adapting all season, which is what we all wanted this year.
And both Voss and Fraser have been talking about consistency in every post game presser.
Because our achilles heel is consistency, accuracy and mental fortitude, hopefully we are building on those too.
This week is the big test to how far we have developed and how much this team has gelled.


The referred to post.


https://x.com/1116sen/status/2059208469161590794


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 9:35 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
If Josh can take us through that and out the other side without them falling apart - Appoint him



They'd at least have to invite him to apply should we make the 10.

Without going through the numbers, to the eye it looks like we're handballing more & kicking less. Which is good because some of our field kicking against Geelong was shocking :razz:

Conversely some of our handball chains lately make us look like a top side.

Of his wins, I thought the game against the Dogs was a pretty terrible standard for 3q, & the Port match the oppo were very sub par. But can't ignore Friday night, absolute breakout win since he took over.

The kids are getting a game but it's a bit of a myth to say that Voss didn't play kids. Last year was a terrible season but one of the positives out of it was we unearthed some good young talent.

I get the feeling Fraser's persona is just what the squad needs at the moment. For all Voss' failings, his strength appeared to be his connection & relationship building with the players. But maybe that was also his greatest undoing. Maybe at the end they were so stressed & nervous about their mate losing his job that they kept showing it on field & shitting the bed when the pressure came on.

With Fraser it's different. You see him interviewed & he's all business - not an asshole or anything, but more a pure coach who the players aren't going to hate, but also aren't going to be emotionally invested in. He reminds me a bit of Longmuir of Fremantle, who I have a lot of time for.



4 weeks ago the results mattered some ones job was on the line - the playing group hasn't been able to handle this expectation for years

Now results don't matter - just go out and play

we haven't had a coach in years who has been able to get this team up when results count

We will see after this block of 4 games and if we are pressing for wild card and expectations rise if Josh can get through to the playing group

We still have some talented players on the list but they are the most mentally fragile group in the entire comp

It is breaking through that which is going to be difficult for anyone who takes over and this has hung around for nearly 30 years - Even the 99 Prelim was a free hit no one expected us to win and the following week when there were high expectations we failed dismally - Same applies to the prelim against Brisbane we put ourselves in a terrifc position to win that game but they couldn't handle it

I don't know a lot about Josh and his coaching abilities but it is getting over the mental barrier that is the issue not positional changes or ball movement


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Yep.
As stated by players, this time from Hewett.
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"I think 'Vossy' definitely laid the platform for us to play the right way," Hewett said.

"He thought that him stepping away might release the pressure. I think the boys are playing like that at the minute. I don't know, it's slowly all coming together. The young guys are playing well and have been exciting.

"Tonight we just got the play done and 'Crippa' took a pretty clutch mark. There was about 90 seconds left and sometimes you do need structure, but you just need heart and effort in the last minute and I think that's how we got it done."


https://www.afl.com.au/news/1532682/hard-to-agree-but-i-understood-how-carlton-blues-george-hewett-bounced-back-after-shock-drop


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 10:36 pm 
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Keep him as senior assistant.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I buy absolutely nothing into the praise of Voss from the players after he left. Zero.

We’ve all worked in organisations where we’ve privately cheered and celebrated the departure of toxic people whilst being diplomatic in front of others.

Remember the Eulogy song by the Chaser? That’s how Voss is being remembered now in public :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2026 8:03 am 
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hey, aaaah, has anyone gone with The Joshernaut yet?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2026 8:21 am 
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Heavs wrote:
hey, aaaah, has anyone gone with The Joshernaut yet?


I hope you’re just joshing there…

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2026 8:47 am 
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I'm surprised bluehammer hasn't gone the Joshua tree....

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2026 9:12 am 
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CK95 wrote:
I'm surprised bluehammer hasn't gone the Joshua tree....

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Oh dear… not you too…

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2026 9:50 am 
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GWS wrote:
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hey, aaaah, has anyone gone with The Joshernaut yet?


I hope you’re just joshing there…


You know some cauliflower in the media is going to try it on. I'm just getting in there early.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2026 4:52 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
Keep him as senior assistant.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I buy absolutely nothing into the praise of Voss from the players after he left. Zero.

We’ve all worked in organisations where we’ve privately cheered and celebrated the departure of toxic people whilst being diplomatic in front of others.

Remember the Eulogy song by the Chaser? That’s how Voss is being remembered now in public :lol:

Voss is a good bloke, the someone you can have a beer with type.

I have no doubt the players liked him enough to praise him when asked, and not belittle him in public about his coaching deficiencies.

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Hearing Frase has cured MND in a team meeting last week and will announce it at the big freeze match soon to be renamed the Big Frase , gives a lot of credit to Vossy and the coaching group though.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2026 2:50 pm 
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Hearing Frase has cured MND in a team meeting last week and will announce it at the big freeze match soon to be renamed the Big Frase , gives a lot of credit to Vossy and the coaching group though.


Bad timing for Neale... :cry:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2026 5:44 pm 
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Really enjoying his style. He speaks at the pressers really well. It is easy to underestimate his experience as a coach and player.

Good luck Josh…get the boys up against the bummers and I’ll be very happy


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2026 6:02 pm 
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Bookie wrote:
Hearing Frase has cured MND in a team meeting last week and will announce it at the big freeze match soon to be renamed the Big Frase , gives a lot of credit to Vossy and the coaching group though.


:lol:
I hear Voss had the formula all done but only got applied after he left the club.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2026 6:35 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Bookie wrote:
Hearing Frase has cured MND in a team meeting last week and will announce it at the big freeze match soon to be renamed the Big Frase , gives a lot of credit to Vossy and the coaching group though.


:lol:
I hear Voss had the formula all done but only got applied after he left the club.

Hey guys, hopefully only a joke.

If a joke, (Re MND) it isn’t a subject to be played to. A close friend has it coming on big time and it is truly devastating. What an inspiration Daniher was.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2026 9:03 pm 
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I also have someone very close to me who won’t live past 35, and maybe not even 30. Because of a form of MND.


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It’s a &#@%er….

our youngest cousin in the family was diagnosed at
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just horrible…


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2026 10:41 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I buy absolutely nothing into the praise of Voss from the players after he left. Zero.

Remember the Eulogy song by the Chaser? That’s how Voss is being remembered now in public :lol:


Very very ugly comment to make.

Says more about you than Vossy.

How do you know what’s real and what isn’t?

FYI it’s obvious you are presenting your rumours and vibe as fact.

You’re calling Hewett a liar. Hewett. A straight up county boy. Have met him plenty of times, chatted to him, had beers with him with mates. He’s a straight up guy. Doesn’t say things to please anyone. Doesn’t stick his neck out. Quite unassuming straight up guy. That’s the honest truth. You can learn something from him.

So you don’t believe that Hewett was being honest about what he heard Vossy say? FMD.

You don’t believe the discussion Vossy has with his manager before the Lions game? W ell, the way he spoke at the presser gave the impression he’d had enough. That’s something. Especially given he hadn’t discussed his future with GW. That’s all we know in public.

You really think you represent the feelings of the public? Here at TC we are small slice of what the public thinks. There’s people who take things on face value and there’s bigots.

Get off your soap box. Your negative toxicity is an indictment on the whole club and all the players. There’s better ways to express yourself without being offensive to the players and Fraser.

Give the players some respect, and enjoy the turnaround for whatever reason it’s happened. I believe Fraser. I don’t believe you one single bit.

Some of your posts are thought provoking, sensible, based on empirical evidence. I enjoy them. This post reflects a highly charged up egotistical hot head. Control your emotions FFS. Show some respect and some decency.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2026 12:07 am 
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london blue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Bookie wrote:
Hearing Frase has cured MND in a team meeting last week and will announce it at the big freeze match soon to be renamed the Big Frase , gives a lot of credit to Vossy and the coaching group though.


:lol:
I hear Voss had the formula all done but only got applied after he left the club.

Hey guys, hopefully only a joke.

If a joke, (Re MND) it isn’t a subject to be played to. A close friend has it coming on big time and it is truly devastating. What an inspiration Daniher was.


I've had a close relative pass with MND. The disease isn't a joke but sometimes those that are left, still need to keep laughing. Life is too short, way too short.


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