Yeah , do you want us to air our dirty linen in public ?

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No they're doing exactly what they should do. I just want to make sure everyone can see through it and stop attributing the recent uptick in form to Voss in any way shape or form. It's clear he was the problem.

That's right, but there's no reason to dismiss the statements of Fraser and the players that "some" of the platform of the Game Plan Vossy endorsed, and the non negotiables, are worth acknowledging. We were a basket case under Teague where the tail wagged the dog, and standards were beloe AFL level.

The fact he was sacked, and we have won since he's gone says he was too stubborn to tweak things, wanting to do things his way, or, he may have been close to achieving the finished product like we are seeing from a list with holes, losing 3 KPs from its spine of 5. I think the former because the 4 quarter effort has come from nowhere.

Unless you want to be vindictive, who really cares?

Its all gone, its in the past, we've made our bed, a decision has been made, it looks right the right decison, and good for that, because we are all happier now, and its all just semantics.

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I understand your beliefs and I won't labor the argument, but if Voss was the problem, how did the team manage to be infront at halftime in the first 8 games? I haven't read any media that has been able to explain that fact.

I wonder if eventually it might be suggested that Voss had not given his assistant Coaches enough flexibility to tweak the game style. There will be a multitude of straws that broke the back of losing 3rd quarters.

Voss is gone now, you got your wish. Everyone can be happy until a loss to the Bombers implodes TC

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

I’ve said this before, if a new coach can fundamentally change every element of the game plan and structure in a single week (in the middle of the season no less), then why would we ever bother appointing a coach for more than a week? You know the reason why, it’s because what you’re claiming is impossible.

Evolution not change

fraser has been here before, espesh with lots of the kids. he's familiar. so this isn't a single week.

also. there's not been a foundational shift of strategy. but more a refining of it. we did many things under voss that were good. we've kept them. and blending that with doing more of falling into line with the modern game and utilising the current rules (something voss stubbornly refused to).

for eg ... i'd love a stat with us under voss for marking the ball - espesh back half - and going back on the mark, and kicking in straight lines down the flanks. stagnant and scared. but also keeping our off ball defensive structures (which tbh, was boring and killing us under voss)

... and then i'd like to see a stat for under fraser how many times we've wrapped around the mark taker, with 3 or 4 players and surged forward with handballs out of the hotzone and then kicked. and when we kick, we're looking for angles (and finding them). players being given license to forgo off ball defensive structure for attacking. ie our offense is slowly becoming our defense. which is the modern afl template for winning. swans, hawks, cats, 2023 pies etc

used to drive me crazy under voss we never utilised the stand rule. such a simple thing. now, we're running it down their throats with it. and lo and behold, winning again.

I agree to all this, but I was responding to claims from some here that everything Voss did was wrong and everything has changed since Voss left. Of course we’ve evolved, but how much of that is the players having a changed mental attitude to execute the plan that voss wanted and how much is brand new plans that Fraser introduced? I’d argue that it’s a bit of both, but others here think Fraser is the messiah and can’t admit Voss got anything right.

Voss leaving mentally freed up the players but not some posters here…

https://fb.watch/HrLtK2BlwY/?fs=e

So sad to hear another player speak highly of Vossy.

Unsolicited as well.

I guess the fans know best.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

That's not true. I feel reinvigorated with our wins and so do many others.

GW and CD need to listen to the players more.

Hey….

I’ve got an opinion too….

We have A B C D E….right…?

Vossy did A and B really well…bloody well…
but had a lot of trouble addingC D and E…

all 3 important components of the
A B C D E theory….

Josh has come along…kept doing A and B as well…
but has added a full C…and a little D* to the mix….

lets call it…A…B…C….d….

once d becomes D…we’re an E away from
euphoria…

I really can’t make it much more clear….


kindest regards tommi





* youuuu know what you’re thinking….

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that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

Yep, agree Tommy. Voss got the contested game plan down perfectly set. Now we are adding the layers, uncontested and run. The wins are coming and it's not that hard to understand, really isn't. You said it perfectly.

The last two minutes of Friday night is very similar to the last two minutes of that semi.

Braithy and I are mates who rarely agree.

This is your best post ever Braithy. Balanced.

Probably because the thorn in your heel is gone now

There is light now. Winning feels good.
Our best 15 are vwerupy good
We must give the next coach an additional 5 hot players and 3 good developing players.
And a few more to top it up the tear after.

Get a No 1 ruck whilst Riley develops and a KPF to free up Harry

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Anyone who doesn’t believe Newman is a straight talker, no frills has no idea

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Oh don’t worry, I’m well and truly expecting a loss next week. Our senior leaders aren’t off the hook and can’t be trusted either.

It wasn’t just Voss, but @#$%&! me he was a huge part of the problem.

haha. i agree old mate. disagreeing is fine - in fact essential - when our common goal is we love this team and alls we want to do is win.



the last 3 games we weren't expected to win. no one took us seriously. the next four we could and should go in as favourites. a whole new era in the josh fraser caretaking role is about to be explored. traditionally when this team have had expectations, it turns to jelly.

where i will disagree with you here is. sure we have holes to replace in the list. but that is secondary. coaching is primary, imo.

i dare say if fraser goes undefeated in the next four. our biggest problem becomes, how can we not afford to make him our guy?

get the coaching right, and suddenly the players don't look so bad.

Look all this debate around Voss and game plan etc

If the players are not playing for the coach - there is an issue.
If the Coach cant get to the bottom of the players issues. And then use the ‘one team’ mentality to make changes. And if the coach doesnt make changes then he is being stubborn - there is an issue.

The buck stops with the senior coach and the coaching panel.

And the CEO and footy manager need and should step in and interview the players and make a decision from there.

Voss’s issues stem a few years now where we get trampled in the last quarter. Players were playing stagnant, and looked unsure.

Did you hear Billy Wilson say ‘the coach/s have faith in me’ . Well Voss didnt play Billy did he?


Full stop. Simple as that.