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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 12:13 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
keogh wrote:
The media the clubs and The AFL are all interconnected
Podcasters are independent
They are unfiltered in what they can say
In regards to footy matters

Most supporters some that still visit here are dumbed down by their blind loyalty to their club
The guy I enjoy listening to the most is Vince on TJP
Legitimately loves the club ex President of the Carltonians
A true supporter who has been critical of the board
Stop Luke Sayers from changing the constitution to spill the board. Sayers wanted to change the 100 signatures from members to spill the board to make it 5000
A true Carlton person
The mainstream media is interested in themselves first


Amen . Very good " Special K ".


Agree. Voice of the people.
Does anyone expect main stream to be independent and honest?

Mate, a lot of people I know in Mainstream Media can't believe literally hundreds of journalists are targeted and killed in the wars overseas, but not one of the fellow journalists from mainstream media says "boo" about it. Mainstream Media is controlled and contrived. Long Live social media.

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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 12:28 pm 
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long live social media?

@#$%&! me that's so dumb - do you think only social media is open and honest? That agendas are not being played out through social media? That things said by "good blokes" is fine because they are not part of the establishment? @#$%&! me it really isn't hard - have a personal, ethical viewpoint, look at what was said and then decide a) that is unethical or b) I'm fine with what was said. Me personally, blokes finding it funny because they can "beat the shit" out of members of a women podcast is unethical regardless of mainstream, left stream, right stream whatever @#$%&! stream. Just don't make the @#$%&! joke that hints in any way at violence towards women, it isn't hard.

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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 12:48 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
long live social media?

@#$%&! me that's so dumb - do you think only social media is open and honest? That agendas are not being played out through social media? That things said by "good blokes" is fine because they are not part of the establishment? @#$%&! me it really isn't hard - have a personal, ethical viewpoint, look at what was said and then decide a) that is unethical or b) I'm fine with what was said. Me personally, blokes finding it funny because they can "beat the shit" out of members of a women podcast is unethical regardless of mainstream, left stream, right stream whatever @#$%&! stream. Just don't make the @#$%&! joke that hints in any way at violence towards women, it isn't hard.

Apart from that idiotic moment I can't ever recall those fellows make any derogatory comments about women . Not once . A once off blunder .

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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 12:57 pm 
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Sure, but if someone on the board cracked that joke we'd never hear the end of it


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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 1:04 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Sure, but if someone on the board cracked that joke we'd never hear the end of it


Probably . Vindictiveness is all the rage . Never forgive , never forget .

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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 1:25 pm 
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keogh wrote:
The media the clubs and The AFL are all interconnected
Podcasters are independent
They are unfiltered in what they can say
In regards to footy matters

Most supporters some that still visit here are dumbed down by their blind loyalty to their club
The guy I enjoy listening to the most is Vince on TJP
Legitimately loves the club
ex President of the Carltonians
A true supporter who has been critical of the board
Stop Luke Sayers from changing the constitution to spill the board. Sayers wanted to change the 100 signatures from members to spill the board to make it 5000
A true Carlton person
The mainstream media is interested in themselves first


We all love the club equally but some supporters love the club better than others? Piss off.


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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 1:28 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
keogh wrote:
The media the clubs and The AFL are all interconnected
Podcasters are independent
They are unfiltered in what they can say
In regards to footy matters

Most supporters some that still visit here are dumbed down by their blind loyalty to their club
The guy I enjoy listening to the most is Vince on TJP
Legitimately loves the club ex President of the Carltonians
A true supporter who has been critical of the board
Stop Luke Sayers from changing the constitution to spill the board. Sayers wanted to change the 100 signatures from members to spill the board to make it 5000
A true Carlton person
The mainstream media is interested in themselves first


Amen . Very good " Special K ".


Agree. Voice of the people.
Does anyone expect main stream to be independent and honest?

Mate, a lot of people I know in Mainstream Media can't believe literally hundreds of journalists are targeted and killed in the wars overseas, but not one of the fellow journalists from mainstream media says "boo" about it. Mainstream Media is controlled and contrived. Long Live social media.


Does anyone believe social media to be independent and honest? :roll:

A lot of people I see on social media reckon J Hird is the messiah. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 2:59 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
keogh wrote:
The media the clubs and The AFL are all interconnected
Podcasters are independent
They are unfiltered in what they can say
In regards to footy matters

Most supporters some that still visit here are dumbed down by their blind loyalty to their club
The guy I enjoy listening to the most is Vince on TJP
Legitimately loves the club ex President of the Carltonians
A true supporter who has been critical of the board
Stop Luke Sayers from changing the constitution to spill the board. Sayers wanted to change the 100 signatures from members to spill the board to make it 5000
A true Carlton person
The mainstream media is interested in themselves first


Amen . Very good " Special K ".


Agree. Voice of the people.
Does anyone expect main stream to be independent and honest?

Mate, a lot of people I know in Mainstream Media can't believe literally hundreds of journalists are targeted and killed in the wars overseas, but not one of the fellow journalists from mainstream media says "boo" about it. Mainstream Media is controlled and contrived. Long Live social media.


Does anyone believe social media to be independent and honest? :roll:

A lot of people I see on social media reckon J Hird is the messiah. :lol:


Well Essendon* supporters honestly believe that . They truely do .

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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 4:04 pm 
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Yep dumbed down
Most supporters are like that
A minority like me are different
I am entitled to my view your entitled to yours
Won’t piss off though
Sorry to disappoint
Case in point
We made the wrong coaching appointment
In fact the whole saga to get Voss was flawed from the start
Great that Sayers is no longer involved
But Greg Williams still is according to the club
Given his behaviour that lead to Voss’ appointment he shouldn’t have anything to do with selection process
Watch supporters justify it
Ask you for alternatives
When you give them they shit can you
What would you know
You don’t know the facts
Your not there
You didn’t play unlike Diesel
Blah blah blah

Anyway I want a first time coach who has been in the AFL system for a number of years understands the modern game and creates a system of play that stacks up
I want the senior coach to be complemented with assistant coaches that make sure all bases are covered and unlike the last c of years involve listening and team work between the coaching staff
No big names where we have to
Play close to million for
Put that money into recruiting that covers scouting the lower leagues
And have a thorough development program
Yeah an opinion
If I didn’t love the club I wouldn’t be here
The club [REDACTED] up Voss’ appointment
Proof is in the pudding


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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 4:30 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 4:33 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
keogh wrote:
The media the clubs and The AFL are all interconnected
Podcasters are independent
They are unfiltered in what they can say
In regards to footy matters

Most supporters some that still visit here are dumbed down by their blind loyalty to their club
The guy I enjoy listening to the most is Vince on TJP
Legitimately loves the club ex President of the Carltonians
A true supporter who has been critical of the board
Stop Luke Sayers from changing the constitution to spill the board. Sayers wanted to change the 100 signatures from members to spill the board to make it 5000
A true Carlton person
The mainstream media is interested in themselves first


Amen . Very good " Special K ".


Agree. Voice of the people.
Does anyone expect main stream to be independent and honest?

Mate, a lot of people I know in Mainstream Media can't believe literally hundreds of journalists are targeted and killed in the wars overseas, but not one of the fellow journalists from mainstream media says "boo" about it. Mainstream Media is controlled and contrived. Long Live social media.


Does anyone believe social media to be independent and honest? :roll:

A lot of people I see on social media reckon J Hird is the messiah. :lol:


Well Essendon** supporters honestly believe that . They truely do .


They do indeed, but they’re not independent, and you shouldn’t trust them just because they’re on social media.


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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 7:03 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
You’re entitled to your opinion, and you think your opinion is better than others, but let me share a truth with you, sometimes your opinion is wrong and mine is right.


Yep and it’s the opposite sometime too
Opinions are important
Be pretty boring if they didn’t exist right or wrong
I thing I was right
Wilson instead of Williams
Ison should have played earlier
Ditto Flynn Young
McKay on the ball
Voss was simply a hopeless coach


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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 7:47 pm 
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You don’t get to a preliminary final by being “hopeless”.

Voss was a decent coach with strengths and weaknesses like most.

And some players clearly loved him and some not so much which is also pretty run of the mill.

He wasn’t a great coach and it’s doubtful he would have won a flag in another 20 years of coaching even with a premiership list (which he never had) but let’s not over egg the omelette.

Look at the quality of players in the premiership teams of the last ten years and then look at what Voss had at his disposal.

Some of his lack of in game responsiveness drove me nuts but to call him “hopeless” is just banging a drum for the sake of a fairly weak argument.

He has the best record of any Carlton coach in the 21st century.

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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 9:03 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
long live social media?

@#$%&! me that's so dumb - do you think only social media is open and honest? .


I don’t want to take this out of context, but honestly, I’m not sure the context is. I take this comment on face value, and I am shocked it’s coming from you DB. But each to their own

Media in any form should be allowed to exist. Monoculture is not the answer to an open minded society. It’s not a society I want to live in. As I have alluded, I am immersed in mainstream media, it pays the bills, so, I feel, like many others, vulnerable just speaking up against the shape it’s in, in our country. This is not Trump land, but worse because of the size of our pond.

Imagine if there was no independent publishers, let alone self funded publishers, what sort of world we would be living in. Well, let’s not kid ourselves, social media is the last bastion of free speech.

Anarchic vs controlled communication? I’d prefer freedom of speech any day. I’m glad I don’t receive all my knowledge from main stream media. I would be a mushroom if I did. The alternative is no option for me and for our democracy. As was coined in 1980 following the German elections, “ Anarchy is Democracy”.

Individuals can decide what is acceptable or not. Rocco will live to tell another tail, or make another mistake, or learn from it. I don’t follow him or his group, but a lot of others find them entertaining. I prefer porn. OMG, is that sexist of me, or sexy of me?

Suggesting social media is dumb is like agreeing “1984 “should be banned. Freedom of speech gives us choice and a place of comfort to make us happy: an avenue to express. Art for arts sake.

Each to their own. Be careful what you wish for. We are already half way down the gurgles. Majority doesn’t rule.

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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 9:11 pm 
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Voss was hopeless because he was too set in his ways
His game plan fell apart in the second half of 2024. Yet he didn’t change it
The definition of stupidity is making the same mistake over and over again
Dumb


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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 9:13 pm 
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Ratten record is better


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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 9:13 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
keogh wrote:
The media the clubs and The AFL are all interconnected
Podcasters are independent
They are unfiltered in what they can say
In regards to footy matters

Most supporters some that still visit here are dumbed down by their blind loyalty to their club
The guy I enjoy listening to the most is Vince on TJP
Legitimately loves the club
ex President of the Carltonians
A true supporter who has been critical of the board
Stop Luke Sayers from changing the constitution to spill the board. Sayers wanted to change the 100 signatures from members to spill the board to make it 5000
A true Carlton person
The mainstream media is interested in themselves first


We all love the club equally but some supporters love the club better than others? Piss off.



I agree with you sinners.

I’ve given more money and resources to Carlton than most non members. I did whatever I could to save my club in 2002. I know blokes like BV did too. Blue serum was created from the thought our club would die…more than 20 years ago.

Reading the highlighted bits infuriates me. Im so passionate about my team, that anyone who questions my passion and commitment, I could lose control, depending on the circumstance, he would feel the wrath similar to that of one Bob Katter. I would punch them right in the nose.

We are all on the same side.

Take your cock off your shoulders and put it back in your pants. We all barrack for Carlton in one form or another. That’s a good thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 9:17 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Yep dumbed down
Most supporters are like that
A minority like me are

[usual vitriol living in past tense]

Blah blah blah

Anyway I want a first time coach who has been in the AFL system for a number of years understands the modern game and creates a system of play that stacks up
I want the senior coach to be complemented with assistant coaches that make sure all bases are covered and unlike the last c of years involve listening and team work between the coaching staff
No big names where we have to
Play close to million for
Put that money into recruiting that covers scouting the lower leagues
And have a thorough development program
Yeah an opinion
If I didn’t love the club I wouldn’t be here
The club [REDACTED] up Voss’ appointment
Proof is in the pudding


Name your options

Coach

Assistants

That’s a more fruitful discussion we can all equally discuss.

Stop belittling your brethren. Let’s enrich our lives, intelligently

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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 9:22 pm 
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Options are given in 5 years.

Who we should have drafted, who we should have appointed coach, etc.

It comes from Grays sports almanac

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 Post subject: Re: Carlton Podcasts
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2026 9:25 pm 
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GWS wrote:
You don’t get to a preliminary final by being “hopeless”.

Voss was a decent coach with strengths and weaknesses like most.

And some players clearly loved him and some not so much which is also pretty run of the mill.

He wasn’t a great coach and it’s doubtful he would have won a flag in another 20 years of coaching even with a premiership list (which he never had) but let’s not over egg the omelette.

Look at the quality of players in the premiership teams of the last ten years and then look at what Voss had at his disposal.

Some of his lack of in game responsiveness drove me nuts but to call him “hopeless” is just banging a drum for the sake of a fairly weak argument.

He has the best record of any Carlton coach in the 21st century.


Exactly how I feel GWS, and we move on.

I believe the proof will be in the pudding.
I believe the club has evolved and learned from our mistakes, as repetitive as they have been.
I thought that when we selected Bolton. Postecogliou did too.
But SOS May or may not have cut the list too deep.
The List wasn’t balanced. We were left to play kids vs men.
That was 10 years ago. We are setting up ourselves for a top 4 spot.
It will happen sooner than later.
I have this vibe man. It’s about the vibe :wink: guaranteed :smoking:

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