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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2026 6:04 pm 
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none of this is to say i put big wraps on Pitto. he tries hard but i’ve never rated him as a number one tuck option.. let alone a play all game long, Gawn type, of ruckman. the new rules hurt him also


Pitto had some impressive stats back in 2022, and they continued in 2023 as the No 1 ruck. (Pre '26 Ruck rules)
The Pitto TDK combo was a beauty. In the Finals in 2023 Pitto softened up Gawn and TDK kicked a couple first quarter goals
Then towards the end of quarters TDK would jump over a softened, perhaps maimed Gawn, or whoever.

Cripps/ Hewett were getting great service for Pitto as the No 1 ruck`

Hitouts to Advantage %

1. Marc Pittonet (Carlton) - 44.2

2. Jarrod Witts (Gold Coast) - 38.9

3. Sean Darcy (Fremantle) - 38.4

Hitouts to Score %

1. Marc Pittonet (Carlton) - 13.7

2. Peter Ladhams (Sydney) - 12.6

3. Max Lynch (Hawthorn) - 12.5

Clearance to Team Score % (Best teams at converting from clearances)

1. Geelong (29.1)
2. Collingwood (27.8)
3. Hawthorn (27.7)
4. Carlton (26.7)

Pitto was younger then and got himself fit and strong from pushing against Soccer goals etc. The old rules suited him too. Like braithy always remind us an injury to Pitto is inevitable, and that has been the case since his PCL in 2024. He's now tapping with his left hand since he's broken his right (he aint right imo)

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....his first couple of games this year were flukes of luck, essentially, he’s not a three goal ruckman and never will be. Hope Flynn Riley develops nicely and still think we need to draft a high pick ruckman, or trade picks for same from another club.


Agree. Those goals in the first couple of weeks suited him, and the post'25 ruck rules have crucified him as have umpires in the CB.

I have high hopes for Riley. I think Riley will develop quickly but he's only 22yo.
TDK started hitting his straps, albeit light in 2023, when he was 24yo, so I don't expect Riley to be dominating, or consistent till 2028.

I have high hopes for our team too, the boys have shown they are good in halves.They are developing. I feel if we can give the mids (with Walker and a Humphrey type to add next year), a good ruck at the CB, and we add an attacking HB to give us another HB line breaker with wilson (as Newman passes the baton), and a KPF to give Harry more ruck time around the ground, and we arent bare in the forward line with kemp and moir (Gov is an injury away from retiring), we will be a good team in 2027 and 2028 when our window opens.

I think we are going to rush Rileys development and he will be thrown in the deep end.

if we dont get better than Pittonet

well, the stats don't lie, as they say. Credit to you, Bondi for backing up your argument with hard data. That doesn't happen round these parts to often!

I always considered TDK the number 1 in the TDK/Pitto combo, even if Pitto won more taps to advantage, TDK had much more followup in the post-bounce contest, be it tackles or running forward with ball in hand. and just the number of minutes TDK could perform CB duties for and his mobility around the ground while he was playing in the Ruck position. but maybe I was seeing it wrong all that time. the Marshall/TDK combo has been more successful than the Pitto/Harry/Cripps combo I would think. What does that tell us about Pitto?

What was the AFL's rationale for changing the ruck rules, (other than indirectly hurting CFC with plausible deniability — which is always a KPI at AFL House)? Was it player safety from knee injuries? Speeding up the already sped-up game?


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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2026 8:02 pm 
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well, the stats don't lie, as they say. Credit to you, Bondi for backing up your argument with hard data. That doesn't happen round these parts to often!

I always considered TDK the number 1 in the TDK/Pitto combo, even if Pitto won more taps to advantage, TDK had much more followup in the post-bounce contest, be it tackles or running forward with ball in hand. and just the number of minutes TDK could perform CB duties for and his mobility around the ground while he was playing in the Ruck position. but maybe I was seeing it wrong all that time. the Marshall/TDK combo has been more successful than the Pitto/Harry/Cripps combo I would think. What does that tell us about Pitto?


We all have our preferences/opinions. We made TDK leave by playing him No 1 ruck. :lol:

For me it was about having a three headed monster: Harry Charlie TDK to stretch opposition ruckmen and stop double teaming. There's always a cost. there's pros and cons either way. I think TDK was overrated and the possessions and marks around the ground he was praised for were not there. He took 1 -3 marks and that was it. For a bloke 6'7" you'd expect that. The data shows most marks were uncontested.

His follow up work in the middle was good, but did we really need him doing that when Pitto was putting the ball where the Brownlow Medallist wanted? Pitto couldnt play forward. We didn't have enough dangerous medium and small players playing forward back then imo, so attention was on Harry and Charlie when TDK wasn't down there.

He's gone now, and nobody I know thinks TDK is worth $1.7M

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What was the AFL's rationale for changing the ruck rules, (other than indirectly hurting CFC with plausible deniability — which is always a KPI at AFL House)? Was it player safety from knee injuries? Speeding up the already sped-up game?


They did it for Lyon and SOS after they got TDK to shut up their President who was non stop whinging about FS, and everything else that would deflect attention from saints.

Nah, yeah. They wanted to bring back the rucks jumping at each other to stop the wrestling, and players going over the line to impede the jumpers like TDK. They tried to stop rucks jumping into each other after Crows' Rehn was the 3rd or 4th ruck to do his PCL from the dangerous action. They made the circle smaller. Now they want them jumping into each other knee first. Fkn idiots. They also suggested that with the 666 rule would speed the game. It has from CB. There's always a cost messing with the rules our forefathers created after 50 or 60 years of experience.

These days, like CEOs in Corporate world, they want to leave their mark in the short term and others can worry about the consequences after their reign. Its not the same game I grew up with. The rules are nowhere near as good, and black n white as they were last century.

KICKING IN DANGER, PUSH IN THE BACK, DROPPING THE BALL, THROWING THE BALL, HOLDING THE BALL......WHAT ABOUT lying on someones back like a turtle shell and not letting them hit ball out.... I love my team and frustrated with the rules....that's another thread

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2026 10:57 pm 
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Can someone please shed any light on why Lij isn't on the LTI? The club has gone very silent on this, and I understand its a sensitive topic, but I don't understand why everything seems so hush hush
Because he's not injured.

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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2026 10:07 am 
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And the AFL’s interpretation of “injured” depends on what would be most inconvenient for Carlton.


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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2026 5:03 pm 
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Apparently we are still heavily into Humphrey.
And as per GW comment we are going to be 'very active' in the draft.
Makes you wonder where all our draft capital will come from.........



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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2026 7:48 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
i'd love to see fraser push mckay to FB or CHB and see if we have anything there. run a small forwardline. no long bombs, low driven chaos balls onto grass and lock it in.

if that all works, that could free up withering to get traded. i'm a bit sick of the sight of a pouting man child with oversized quads not affecting contests and not honouring his man all at the same time. all essential elements of being a defender, really.

How is Macay gonna take marks on the wing if he's holding down a KPD though? Those wing outlet marks are a really important part of our defensive transition, especially when the momentum is against us. Seems like a waste t put MacKay down back to me. Maybe he's now had two good games since you wrote this you'd reconsider?

What we do need down back (going forwards in time) is a like for like replacement for Haynes. He's almost AA for intercept marking and was number 1 in AFL for it in 2025. Don't know how many more seasons he has in him, maybe missing a few seasons gives him extra longevity?


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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2026 8:49 pm 
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But I doubt any of the bottom 4 clubs will trade their picks out...

Not for all the tea in China.

Yep, the AFL have gone hard to screw us, again.


Greg Swan quote — wrote:
“We believe the tightening  of the  National Draft Bidding System  and the introduction of  the new  Compensation Mechanism  will  strengthen fairness  across the draft process,  particularly when it comes to  concessional players, and  ensure lower-finishing teams  have the  opportunity  to  improve their lists without being  disadvantaged by  the matching process.” — Zero Hanger

Unless the club in question happens to be Carlton, Port Adelaide, Essendon*** or Richmond, whom at least two of will be paying doubles for F/S-NGA concession picks in spite of their ladder position. Check's ladder… so how does that work again, Greg? Thanks for the runway, Tosser!
Oh and did Greg mention AFL have introduced a specific incentive clause to encourage 'spite' picks of F/S and NGA players by opposition clubs? just so there can be nothing left to chance when it comes to anybody slipping through at a more natural pick if the perverse incentives had not been introduced.


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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2026 9:00 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Crusader wrote:
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But I doubt any of the bottom 4 clubs will trade their picks out...

Not for all the tea in China.

Yep, the AFL have gone hard to screw us, again.


Greg Swan quote — wrote:
“We believe the tightening  of the  National Draft Bidding System  and the introduction of  the new  Compensation Mechanism  will  strengthen fairness  across the draft process,  particularly when it comes to  concessional players, and  ensure lower-finishing teams  have the  opportunity  to  improve their lists without being  disadvantaged by  the matching process.” — Zero Hanger

Unless the club in question happens to be Carlton, Port Adelaide, Essendon**** or Richmond, whom at least two of will be paying doubles for F/S-NGA concession picks in spite of their later possition. Check's ladder… so how does that work again, Greg? Thanks for the runway, Tosser!
Oh and did Greg mention AFL have introduced a specific incentive clause to encourage 'spite' picks of F/S and NGA players by opposition clubs? just so there can be nothing left to chance when it comes to anybody slipping through at a more natural pick if the perverse incentives had not been introduced.


Swann is a deadset goose . Hopefully the AFL realise they picked a lemon and move him on . Has one man done so much damage in such a short time . Hopefully Brad Scott gets back there . Scott aint likeable but he did a far better job than the current mob .

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2026 11:06 am 
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diesel95 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
But I doubt any of the bottom 4 clubs will trade their picks out...

Not for all the tea in China.

Yep, the AFL have gone hard to screw us, again.


Greg Swan quote — wrote:
“We believe the tightening  of the  National Draft Bidding System  and the introduction of  the new  Compensation Mechanism  will  strengthen fairness  across the draft process,  particularly when it comes to  concessional players, and  ensure lower-finishing teams  have the  opportunity  to  improve their lists without being  disadvantaged by  the matching process.” — Zero Hanger

Unless the club in question happens to be Carlton, Port Adelaide, Essendon**** or Richmond, whom at least two of will be paying doubles for F/S-NGA concession picks in spite of their ladder position. Check's ladder… so how does that work again, Greg? Thanks for the runway, Tosser!
Oh and did Greg mention AFL have introduced a specific incentive clause to encourage 'spite' picks of F/S and NGA players by opposition clubs? just so there can be nothing left to chance when it comes to anybody slipping through at a more natural pick if the perverse incentives had not been introduced.



Yeah right.

Making a bottom 5 team needs to burn 2 first round picks for a player.

Tell me how that makes sense.

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