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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 9:36 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Posted this in Vossy thrread when I was thinking about our game v Port.

One thing obvious to me was Pitto played longer and broke even with Sweet. I'd say he beat Sweet with 10 v 7 HO to advantage. Harry has able to keep the pressure on in the ruck, but we didnt have anyone in the forward line to mark the ball when harry wasn't there. I don't know why we kept on bombing it forward in that 3rd. Is that Fraser's fault? A personnel thing? Players' fatiguing and losing composure? Forward not providing leads to kick to? Says to me its a bit of everything.

IMO, the best thing about the win was our dare (to run in 2's and 3's), our close checking of opponents and pressure we were able to exert that, over 4 quarters (maybe because we weren't spent chasing tails because we were minding space instead of players) and most importantly, we did it with 11 players not available (see impact that has on our VFL team), 6 missing from our Best 23. 7 if you count Carroll.

It was a great to win on their dung.

He did, Pitto played 77% game time compared to 68% the week before.

Agree the bombing was a bit of everything, I doubt Fraser like Voss initiated it though.
The lack of reward for effort in the 3rd was us slipping back into our groove, we were just lucky they were not a top of the ladder team that could punish us.

For me the run has come from Florent hitting his straps over the last 3-4 weeks, Newman getting back to how he plays and the addition of Wilson's speed to help push out of D50. You also have to take into account the injuries of our 2 wings and the need to change the way we play from the HB line to support fill in players like Cerra on the wing and did I see Franky starting on wing a few times?
Another thing to note is that without Weitering and having a more mobile defence that changed the way we moved the ball out of D50 also.
It gave those players the room to run harder and change the angles more.
Weitering is a good one on one defender, but he is slow and the game is changing, including the need for a more mobile defence that can close down these athletic forwards. Dean and HOF are the way forward, they get to the contest, they tackle hard and they are willing to be less predictable coming out of defence.


I swear Mitch McGovern was playing a KP-wing hybrid marking in both goal squares in the third and fourth quarters. was anybody at the ground? Who was he playing on or what was his pattern of play? Haywood was forced to play extremely high as a HF also. But i think Mitch was starting in the back half at CBs in Q3 & Q4. Dean is improving nicely for a first year kid-KPD, playing way above his years and slowly eliminating the less than excellent acts from his game.

I did notice that at one point.
I need to rewatch the game as I was a bit distracted when it was on.
Losing our wings has definitely shaken things up on the ground and clearly we are looking a little bit different as a result.
And our lift in intensity for 4 quarters plus being able to hit targets has given us more options to adapt to teams.
Amazing what executing skills can do to a team, although that 3rd was a little shaky.
Dean is a gun and is the new age defender, he has been improving but I am still happy for him to give away a couple of frees for excessively 'aggressive' acts. :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2026 11:09 am 
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diesel95 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Posted this in Vossy thrread when I was thinking about our game v Port.

One thing obvious to me was Pitto played longer and broke even with Sweet. I'd say he beat Sweet with 10 v 7 HO to advantage. Harry has able to keep the pressure on in the ruck, but we didnt have anyone in the forward line to mark the ball when harry wasn't there. I don't know why we kept on bombing it forward in that 3rd. Is that Fraser's fault? A personnel thing? Players' fatiguing and losing composure? Forward not providing leads to kick to? Says to me its a bit of everything.

IMO, the best thing about the win was our dare (to run in 2's and 3's), our close checking of opponents and pressure we were able to exert that, over 4 quarters (maybe because we weren't spent chasing tails because we were minding space instead of players) and most importantly, we did it with 11 players not available (see impact that has on our VFL team), 6 missing from our Best 23. 7 if you count Carroll.

It was a great to win on their dung.

He did, Pitto played 77% game time compared to 68% the week before.

Agree the bombing was a bit of everything, I doubt Fraser like Voss initiated it though.
The lack of reward for effort in the 3rd was us slipping back into our groove, we were just lucky they were not a top of the ladder team that could punish us.

For me the run has come from Florent hitting his straps over the last 3-4 weeks, Newman getting back to how he plays and the addition of Wilson's speed to help push out of D50. You also have to take into account the injuries of our 2 wings and the need to change the way we play from the HB line to support fill in players like Cerra on the wing and did I see Franky starting on wing a few times?
Another thing to note is that without Weitering and having a more mobile defence that changed the way we moved the ball out of D50 also.
It gave those players the room to run harder and change the angles more.
Weitering is a good one on one defender, but he is slow and the game is changing, including the need for a more mobile defence that can close down these athletic forwards. Dean and HOF are the way forward, they get to the contest, they tackle hard and they are willing to be less predictable coming out of defence.


I swear Mitch McGovern was playing a KP-wing hybrid marking in both goal squares in the third and fourth quarters. was anybody at the ground? Who was he playing on or what was his pattern of play? Haywood was forced to play extremely high as a HF also. But i think Mitch was starting in the back half at CBs in Q3 & Q4. Dean is improving nicely for a first year kid-KPD, playing way above his years and slowly eliminating the less than excellent acts from his game.


I could be wrong, but the times McGovern popped up at fullback were late in the quarter when we were trying to protect our lead/take the steam out of the opposition. Standard Voss playbook, used to be JSOS or Curnow who performed that role in the past.


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2026 12:02 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Posted this in Vossy thrread when I was thinking about our game v Port.

One thing obvious to me was Pitto played longer and broke even with Sweet. I'd say he beat Sweet with 10 v 7 HO to advantage. Harry has able to keep the pressure on in the ruck, but we didnt have anyone in the forward line to mark the ball when harry wasn't there. I don't know why we kept on bombing it forward in that 3rd. Is that Fraser's fault? A personnel thing? Players' fatiguing and losing composure? Forward not providing leads to kick to? Says to me its a bit of everything.

IMO, the best thing about the win was our dare (to run in 2's and 3's), our close checking of opponents and pressure we were able to exert that, over 4 quarters (maybe because we weren't spent chasing tails because we were minding space instead of players) and most importantly, we did it with 11 players not available (see impact that has on our VFL team), 6 missing from our Best 23. 7 if you count Carroll.

It was a great to win on their dung.

He did, Pitto played 77% game time compared to 68% the week before.

Agree the bombing was a bit of everything, I doubt Fraser like Voss initiated it though.
The lack of reward for effort in the 3rd was us slipping back into our groove, we were just lucky they were not a top of the ladder team that could punish us.

For me the run has come from Florent hitting his straps over the last 3-4 weeks, Newman getting back to how he plays and the addition of Wilson's speed to help push out of D50. You also have to take into account the injuries of our 2 wings and the need to change the way we play from the HB line to support fill in players like Cerra on the wing and did I see Franky starting on wing a few times?
Another thing to note is that without Weitering and having a more mobile defence that changed the way we moved the ball out of D50 also.
It gave those players the room to run harder and change the angles more.
Weitering is a good one on one defender, but he is slow and the game is changing, including the need for a more mobile defence that can close down these athletic forwards. Dean and HOF are the way forward, they get to the contest, they tackle hard and they are willing to be less predictable coming out of defence.


I swear Mitch McGovern was playing a KP-wing hybrid marking in both goal squares in the third and fourth quarters. was anybody at the ground? Who was he playing on or what was his pattern of play? Haywood was forced to play extremely high as a HF also. But i think Mitch was starting in the back half at CBs in Q3 & Q4. Dean is improving nicely for a first year kid-KPD, playing way above his years and slowly eliminating the less than excellent acts from his game.


I could be wrong, but the times McGovern popped up at fullback were late in the quarter when we were trying to protect our lead/take the steam out of the opposition. Standard Voss playbook, used to be JSOS or Curnow who performed that role in the past.


That's what I noticed to.

I watched the replay with delight. Apart from that saving mark, I didn't see Gov move past the centre. Maybe I missed it. Maybe diesel believes it was more than once he bobbed up at a KPD post.

KPD's Game Time was Derksen (89% Dean (81%) and Haynes (89%).
Obviously had short rests on the bench, but we had their KPFs covered by our KPDs.

Our KPD's covered Port had KPFs Georgiades (96% ), Whitcock (77% ), Marshall ( 70%)

Cowan (83%) and Newman (86%) played on taller opponents at times because they can, but I can't recall them having to mind their KPF's

The other backmen were Florent (83%) and Wilson (80%).
Newman and Cowan rotations would have covered for them when resting.

Doesn't seem they needed extra cover from Gov when one was resting.
But it was great to see Gov take that mark on the last line of defense at the end of the third quarter.

Would have gone through for a goal otherwise.

I'm still buzzing from that wing....its raining outside ....great to be sidetracked to the Baggers ... back to populating the boring tax spreadsheet.

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2026 9:29 pm 
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Did anyone have a bad game? One of the most even team performances I can remember for a long time.

Shoutout to Ollie Florent, he has been superb in recent weeks. That kick in the second quarter when he threaded the needle to Cripps. Chefs kiss. He’d be close to leading our B and F.


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2026 10:21 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
Did anyone have a bad game? One of the most even team performances I can remember for a long time.

Shoutout to Ollie Florent, he has been superb in recent weeks. That kick in the second quarter when he threaded the needle to Cripps. Chefs kiss. He’d be close to leading our B and F.


Really good team performance. Fynn Young was probably the weakest link imo.

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2026 12:03 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Did anyone have a bad game? One of the most even team performances I can remember for a long time.

Shoutout to Ollie Florent, he has been superb in recent weeks. That kick in the second quarter when he threaded the needle to Cripps. Chefs kiss. He’d be close to leading our B and F.


Really good team performance. Fynn Young was probably the weakest link imo.


Carroll had a very bad game, shockingly bad


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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2026 5:29 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Posted this in Vossy thrread when I was thinking about our game v Port.

One thing obvious to me was Pitto played longer and broke even with Sweet. I'd say he beat Sweet with 10 v 7 HO to advantage. Harry has able to keep the pressure on in the ruck, but we didnt have anyone in the forward line to mark the ball when harry wasn't there. I don't know why we kept on bombing it forward in that 3rd. Is that Fraser's fault? A personnel thing? Players' fatiguing and losing composure? Forward not providing leads to kick to? Says to me its a bit of everything.

IMO, the best thing about the win was our dare (to run in 2's and 3's), our close checking of opponents and pressure we were able to exert that, over 4 quarters (maybe because we weren't spent chasing tails because we were minding space instead of players) and most importantly, we did it with 11 players not available (see impact that has on our VFL team), 6 missing from our Best 23. 7 if you count Carroll.

It was a great to win on their dung.

He did, Pitto played 77% game time compared to 68% the week before.

Agree the bombing was a bit of everything, I doubt Fraser like Voss initiated it though.
The lack of reward for effort in the 3rd was us slipping back into our groove, we were just lucky they were not a top of the ladder team that could punish us.

For me the run has come from Florent hitting his straps over the last 3-4 weeks, Newman getting back to how he plays and the addition of Wilson's speed to help push out of D50. You also have to take into account the injuries of our 2 wings and the need to change the way we play from the HB line to support fill in players like Cerra on the wing and did I see Franky starting on wing a few times?
Another thing to note is that without Weitering and having a more mobile defence that changed the way we moved the ball out of D50 also.
It gave those players the room to run harder and change the angles more.
Weitering is a good one on one defender, but he is slow and the game is changing, including the need for a more mobile defence that can close down these athletic forwards. Dean and HOF are the way forward, they get to the contest, they tackle hard and they are willing to be less predictable coming out of defence.


I swear Mitch McGovern was playing a KP-wing hybrid marking in both goal squares in the third and fourth quarters. was anybody at the ground? Who was he playing on or what was his pattern of play? Haywood was forced to play extremely high as a HF also. But i think Mitch was starting in the back half at CBs in Q3 & Q4. Dean is improving nicely for a first year kid-KPD, playing way above his years and slowly eliminating the less than excellent acts from his game.


I could be wrong, but the times McGovern popped up at fullback were late in the quarter when we were trying to protect our lead/take the steam out of the opposition. Standard Voss playbook, used to be JSOS or Curnow who performed that role in the past.


That's what I noticed to.

I watched the replay with delight. Apart from that saving mark, I didn't see Gov move past the centre. Maybe I missed it. Maybe diesel believes it was more than once he bobbed up at a KPD post.

KPD's Game Time was Derksen (89% Dean (81%) and Haynes (89%).
Obviously had short rests on the bench, but we had their KPFs covered by our KPDs.

Our KPD's covered Port had KPFs Georgiades (96% ), Whitcock (77% ), Marshall ( 70%)

Cowan (83%) and Newman (86%) played on taller opponents at times because they can, but I can't recall them having to mind their KPF's

The other backmen were Florent (83%) and Wilson (80%).
Newman and Cowan rotations would have covered for them when resting.

Doesn't seem they needed extra cover from Gov when one was resting.
But it was great to see Gov take that mark on the last line of defense at the end of the third quarter.

Would have gone through for a goal otherwise.

I'm still buzzing from that wing....its raining outside ....great to be sidetracked to the Baggers ... back to populating the boring tax spreadsheet.


Wasn't that mark Gov took about 15 metres out facing the centre square and running backwards in the last quarter? I forget now.

He also got a 50 m free that brought him within his goal kicking range (he missed or passed it off IIRC), but he was one of the deepest of our defenders when that happened. All our KPDs were pressing up very high, as is the Voss/Fraser game style when we have momentum.


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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2026 7:13 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Did anyone have a bad game? One of the most even team performances I can remember for a long time.

Shoutout to Ollie Florent, he has been superb in recent weeks. That kick in the second quarter when he threaded the needle to Cripps. Chefs kiss. He’d be close to leading our B and F.


Really good team performance. Fynn Young was probably the weakest link imo.


Carroll had a very bad game, shockingly bad


Didn’t get a touch.

He’d want to improve on that.

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2026 7:41 pm 
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Wasn't that mark Gov took about 15 metres out facing the centre square and running backwards in the last quarter? I forget now.

He also got a 50 m free that brought him within his goal kicking range (he missed or passed it off IIRC), but he was one of the deepest of our defenders when that happened. All our KPDs were pressing up very high, as is the Voss/Fraser game style when we have momentum.


Doesn't matter, when.

He really wasnt "roaming", calling his own shots, starting at CHB.....

I think, and I might be wrong, it was 3rd with less than 5 mins left. Just when Port started their late goal surge. Then one after the 3/4 break.

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