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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:02 pm 
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Flynn Young was perfectly entitled to take that shot by the way. Only criticism is that he should have nailed it.

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If you’re picked in the forward group, you take that shot or pack your bags.

Only opponents within cooee were closer to the bloke he supposedly torched.


Just watched the replay again.

Yeah he had every right to have the shot, but he had a player in better position, and well ahead of his opponent, to make sure of the goal.

He missed, so what does that tell you about his skills as a forward? If he's such a dead eye shot he should have nailed it. He's been missing shots at goal too much for me to believe he was better placed to have a shot than his team mate.

Team football trumps selfish footy.

He's made his bed, and made himself a reputation. He torched his mate.

Don't be surprised, but like many, I'm still dirty on him. Like Hinkley said "Young in name, young in decision making. He will learn from that".

Hopefully he learns and makes up for it, but I don't think he's going to get much of a chance to redeem. Maybe he will. If not, my hope his team mates learn from it.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:06 pm 
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Bondi did you watch it on Kayo?
Do you know what the time stamp was?


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:17 pm 
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Bondi did you watch it on Kayo?
Do you know what the time stamp was?


Yeah right :grin:

It was late in the 3rd quarter. Port kicked their 2nd goal straight after the miss.

After he takes the shot the carlrton player slows down and the Port player looks like he's closing space, but before he takes the kick theres at least a 10m gap between the two opponents closest to goal. All Fynn had to do is lob it ahead of the Carlton player and he would have run onto it.

Who cares. Young isn't the future. Its the act that annoyed most people.

I get why he was entitled to take the shot, but if you miss, it's on you. Bad luck.
At the time, we needed to snuff the game. That miss turned the pressure back on us when it didn't need to be.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:38 pm 
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Heavs wrote:
How good is kicking 8 straight.

First half good, second half, accuracy and efficacy bad! familiar pattern? At least we had something like 20 F50 entries to ports 5 or something in Q3, otherwise some nerves might have started to fray... fans if not players. All the blues I were with were telling the one Port supporter at our table that we would surely hand it all back at half time. I think we all secretly hoped we've turned that corner but none of us were prepared to voice that with any degree of confidence until deep into Q4!

50x bitten, 100x shy ;-)


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:42 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Heavs wrote:
Flynn Young was perfectly entitled to take that shot by the way. Only criticism is that he should have nailed it.

100%

If you’re picked in the forward group, you take that shot or pack your bags.

Only opponents within cooee were closer to the bloke he supposedly torched.


Just watched the replay again.

Yeah he had every right to have the shot, but he had a player in better position, and well ahead of his opponent, to make sure of the goal.

He missed, so what does that tell you about his skills as a forward? If he's such a dead eye shot he should have nailed it. He's been missing shots at goal too much for me to believe he was better placed to have a shot than his team mate.

Team football trumps selfish footy.

He's made his bed, and made himself a reputation. He torched his mate.

Don't be surprised, but like many, I'm still dirty on him. Like Hinkley said "Young in name, young in decision making. He will learn from that".

Hopefully he learns and makes up for it, but I don't think he's going to get much of a chance to redeem. Maybe he will. If not, my hope his team mates learn from it.


He'll learn from that. If Coleman medalists can lob it over to a guy running to the goal square then first year players can too. It just looks better from a team spirit perspective etc. But they say we're a very united playing group this year. Good riddance to any player, coach or fan who isn't team first from here on in.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:42 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Bondi did you watch it on Kayo?
Do you know what the time stamp was?


Yeah right :grin:

It was late in the 3rd quarter. Port kicked their 2nd goal straight after the miss.

After he takes the shot the carlrton player slows down and the Port player looks like he's closing space, but before he takes the kick theres at least a 10m gap between the two opponents closest to goal. All Fynn had to do is lob it ahead of the Carlton player and he would have run onto it.

Who cares. Young isn't the future. Its the act that annoyed most people.

I get why he was entitled to take the shot, but if you miss, it's on you. Bad luck.
At the time, we needed to snuff the game. That miss turned the pressure back on us when it didn't need to be.

I'll have a look, thanks.
I agree and that has been our problem for a long time, players creating unnecessary pressure from poor skills or poor decision making or both.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:43 pm 
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It's going to take a while to get the demon out of the players and the supporters head.
All these guys have been told is, they can't play the modern game. Can't kick, run or handball.
Thankfully so far, they are showning they are determined buggers to fight this out and may not need a group of phyco analysis over summer with the new coach. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:45 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
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Did georgiadis get reported for dangerously shoving Dean into that marking contest? He should get a few weeks at least compared to what you Ben got.
LOL what do you reckon?

Even the commentators said that kind of act has been penalised a lot in recent times. not even cited for review, of course, "play on".


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:46 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:

He'll learn from that. If Coleman medalists can lob it over to a guy running to the goal square then first year players can too. It just looks better from a team spirit perspective etc. But they say we're a very united playing group this year. Good riddance to any player, coach or fan who isn't team first from here on in.


One mistake by a young guy Diesel, and we are crucifying the kid. He can't play or kick. :yikes:


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:52 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Small summary of some interesting 2026 stats;

2026 handball average 159, this game 182
2026 average clearances 33, this game 27 and stoppage clearances 21 to 16 (also lost both to Port - interesting as Cripps dominated)
2026 contested possessions 132, this game 114 and uncontested 230 to 271.
2026 inside 50 efficiency 51%, this game 64%

Seems the game change is occurring and the boys are doing well with the changes.


Amazing stats from afar.
Parts of the first half reminded me of Ratts reign.

I'd like to see our highest and lowest numbers and who we were playing to get any benefit.
Looked to me we smashed them in contest and clearance where it counted most, CBs
>>> Sure JHT got a bit of hard ball but eye test says Hewett Cripps Walsh dominated. <<<
Butters got his ball in defense.

Its the efficiency that impressed me most. Forward handball. Speed of decision.

dare I say it, dare.


What I loved seeing was the field position of those handball chains from bounces, Cripps to Walsh inside but on the move, to Hewett inside/outside and forward of the bounce to Jagga 20 m ahead of the bounce and streaming goal wards. happened quite a few times in various combos. I said when we were losing games that Jagga has been building nicely game to game and was gonna have a break out game in the second half of the season. He's just getting that bit more time and space each week. And composure, seem like the heavy game reviewing of him has eased off and he's ok to run with the ball for more than one or two steps now.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:56 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
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sinbagger wrote:
I’m still ok with trading Cripps to give us a strong draft hand this year before Tassie get handed the cream of the draft next few years. Yes he’s had an awes7few weeks, which ups his trade value, but he had some pretty ordinary weeks before that. He’s become inconsistent in his old age, best to trade him while he has value. We have plenty of mids.

Weitering I would be holding onto though, need at least one mature, big defender for a few years.


Tassie has pick 1, 3, 5, 7, 11 and 13.

5,7,11, 13 must be traded and most likely for players (using marketing dollars). They could go to anyone

Therefore in the Draft Tassie use 1, and 3.

Assume bottom to top teams on ladder are as follows:

pick 1....19th Tassie
pick 1....18th Effendopes match Bewick and lose their 2nd No 1 for Merret
pick 2.....Tassie
pick 3....17th Richmond
pick 4....Tassie
pick 5....16th WCE
pick 6 ...whoever trades with tassie
pick 7 ....15th Port
pick 8 ....whoever Trades with Tassie
pick 9....14th Collingwood
pick 10...whoever trades with Tassie
pick 11....13th StKilda
pick 12 ....whoever trades with Tassie
pick 13 ....12th Bulldogs unless they trade for butters, then its port
pick 14.....11th Adelaide
pick 15 ....10th NM
pick 16 ....9th GWS
pick 17.....8th Melbourne
pick 18.....7th Carlton would have traded this for Humphrey
pick 19.....6th
pick 20.....5th
pick 21.....4th
pick 22.....3rd
pick 23.....2nd
pick 24.....1st
pick 25 .....Compo
pick 26......Compo
pick 27.....Tassie
pick 28.....Efendope used this for Bewick therefore richmond

we Trade our 2nd 1st rounder from Sydney for Humphrey swap for their 2nd rounder

What do you want for Cripps?


I want 2 first rounders from this years draft, not next year. We'll lose our compo pick anyway in almost every possible scenario.


How the heck can Tasssie just come into the league and expect to be playing deep into finals in a few years? that's what this kind of draft for three years running is offering them, especially with the game favouring speed and agility and the elite older players losing some currency out of all the rule changes. I believe in socialism in sport and in life but it dont think things should be offered on a silver platter on day one either!


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:59 pm 
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How un-socialist of you diesel.
Surely they should be offered the same opportunity as the rest of the AFL, even if it is only their first year. :lol:
We've got pokies, if they're smart they'd be setting up NDIS business fronts for some quick easy cash.
Who needs billionaires when you can steal billions from the tax payers.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 9:00 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
diesel95 wrote:

He'll learn from that. If Coleman medalists can lob it over to a guy running to the goal square then first year players can too. It just looks better from a team spirit perspective etc. But they say we're a very united playing group this year. Good riddance to any player, coach or fan who isn't team first from here on in.


One mistake by a young guy Diesel, and we are crucifying the kid. He can't play or kick. :yikes:


Exactly. Ison could have 6 goals already but nobody is razing him (admitted the kid has some X-factor and poise with ball in hand, not to mention being in the right spots).

It's not like these first year players dont have to sit in a team review meeting Monday morning and then do a one on one with the forwards coach (I've lost track of who that is these days!) to learn what they "need to go after" this week at training!!


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 9:02 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
How un-socialist of you diesel.
Surely they should be offered the same opportunity as the rest of the AFL, even if it is only their first year. :lol:
We've got pokies, if they're smart they'd be setting up NDIS business fronts for some quick easy cash.
Who needs billionaires when you can steal billions from the tax payers.

yeah maybe there's some kind of compensation formula at play for being denied justice for the last 30 years when Port, Giants and Suns were given the green light before Tassie? 3 top ten picks per year, per injustice?


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 9:07 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
How un-socialist of you diesel.
Surely they should be offered the same opportunity as the rest of the AFL, even if it is only their first year. :lol:
We've got pokies, if they're smart they'd be setting up NDIS business fronts for some quick easy cash.
Who needs billionaires when you can steal billions from the tax payers.

I should point out that the Federal Government issues the Australian currency and has the sole authority to do so and has no technical limits to what the spend. As Keynes said, if the resources exist, the (Central) Government can afford them, they just spend the currency into existence. the real limits are what are the available resources to acquire from the private sector to provision the public with infrastructure and services. Taxes are there to create the "fiscal space" as Warren Mosler calls it, cool down activity in the private sector to allow the public sector to expand without inflationary pressures taking hold. Those pressures are usually massively overstated by orthodox economists who aren't even aware every time USA, Aust, UK goes into a surplus position it invariably results in a national recession the net year.

It's a bit like Monopoly in one respect, the (reserve) bank can't extinguish currency from the economy (taxes, bonds are more of a straight asset swap) without first handing it out to players at the start of the game, ad continuing to expand money supply ($200 for passing go) to allow for private wealth creation. Possibly getting off topic a tiny bit at this point.… bring it back, if the AFL wants Tassie playing deep into finals in 2030 then there is absolutely nothing that can stop them making that happen, other than the rest of the clubs raising hell over it, and good luck with that, they'll just invent a new 'tax' to hurt the whinging clubs ;-)


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 9:11 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
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How un-socialist of you diesel.
Surely they should be offered the same opportunity as the rest of the AFL, even if it is only their first year. :lol:
We've got pokies, if they're smart they'd be setting up NDIS business fronts for some quick easy cash.
Who needs billionaires when you can steal billions from the tax payers.

yeah maybe there's some kind of compensation formula at play for being denied justice for the last 30 years when Port, Giants and Suns were given the green light before Tassie? 3 top ten picks per year, per injustice?

I think it's more that the makey uppy AFL just want instant success, but not too much.
They still have to protect the favourites.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 9:15 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
How un-socialist of you diesel.
Surely they should be offered the same opportunity as the rest of the AFL, even if it is only their first year. :lol:
We've got pokies, if they're smart they'd be setting up NDIS business fronts for some quick easy cash.
Who needs billionaires when you can steal billions from the tax payers.

I should point out that the Federal Government issues the Australian currency and has the sole authority to do so and has no technical limits to what the spend. As Keynes said, if the resources exist, the (Central) Government can afford them, they just spend the currency into existence. the real limits are what are the available resources to acquire from the private sector to provision the public with infrastructure and services. Taxes are there to create the "fiscal space" as Warren Mosler calls it, cool down activity in the private sector to allow the public sector to expand without inflationary pressures taking hold. Those pressures are usually massively overstated by orthodox economists who aren't even aware every time USA, Aust, UK goes into a surplus position it invariably results in a national recession the net year.

It's a bit like Monopoly in one respect, the (reserve) bank can't extinguish currency from the economy (taxes, bonds are more of a straight asset swap) without first handing it out to players at the start of the game, ad continuing to expand money supply ($200 for passing go) to allow for private wealth creation. Possibly getting off topic a tiny bit at this point.… bring it back, if the AFL wants Tassie playing deep into finals in 2030 then there is absolutely nothing that can stop them making that happen, other than the rest of the clubs raising hell over it, and good luck with that, they'll just invent a new 'tax' to hurt the whinging clubs ;-)

Holy s#$t, you've definitely thought about this.
Yes you are correct though, the AFL will make it happen no matter who they crush in their wake.
And it's a bonus if it is us.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 9:17 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
How un-socialist of you diesel.
Surely they should be offered the same opportunity as the rest of the AFL, even if it is only their first year. :lol:
We've got pokies, if they're smart they'd be setting up NDIS business fronts for some quick easy cash.
Who needs billionaires when you can steal billions from the tax payers.

yeah maybe there's some kind of compensation formula at play for being denied justice for the last 30 years when Port, Giants and Suns were given the green light before Tassie? 3 top ten picks per year, per injustice?

I think it's more that the makey uppy AFL just want instant success, but not too much.
They still have to protect the favourites.

yeah win-win-win-win for the in-crowd is tricky :-)

Mind you lots of commentator say they like it when Carlton is up and about, but not too up and about I suspect. Matthew Lloyd and Barrett spent many weeks ending Voss's coaching career… this week not a single play in the Port Carlton game was worthy of a mention. I guess they're hoping Geelong put us to the sword, and nobody intelligent is not expecting they might after their recent run of games. we have matched up well in the past, but missing three traded talls, tough.

At this point I'm reasonably happy about Haywood and Florent plus picks for Curnow, so long as they maintain the form of last two or three weeks. Haywood has been huge both weeks and Florent was awesome against Doggies and backed it up against Port.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 9:21 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
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Posted this in Vossy thrread when I was thinking about our game v Port.

One thing obvious to me was Pitto played longer and broke even with Sweet. I'd say he beat Sweet with 10 v 7 HO to advantage. Harry has able to keep the pressure on in the ruck, but we didnt have anyone in the forward line to mark the ball when harry wasn't there. I don't know why we kept on bombing it forward in that 3rd. Is that Fraser's fault? A personnel thing? Players' fatiguing and losing composure? Forward not providing leads to kick to? Says to me its a bit of everything.

IMO, the best thing about the win was our dare (to run in 2's and 3's), our close checking of opponents and pressure we were able to exert that, over 4 quarters (maybe because we weren't spent chasing tails because we were minding space instead of players) and most importantly, we did it with 11 players not available (see impact that has on our VFL team), 6 missing from our Best 23. 7 if you count Carroll.

It was a great to win on their dung.

He did, Pitto played 77% game time compared to 68% the week before.

Agree the bombing was a bit of everything, I doubt Fraser like Voss initiated it though.
The lack of reward for effort in the 3rd was us slipping back into our groove, we were just lucky they were not a top of the ladder team that could punish us.

For me the run has come from Florent hitting his straps over the last 3-4 weeks, Newman getting back to how he plays and the addition of Wilson's speed to help push out of D50. You also have to take into account the injuries of our 2 wings and the need to change the way we play from the HB line to support fill in players like Cerra on the wing and did I see Franky starting on wing a few times?
Another thing to note is that without Weitering and having a more mobile defence that changed the way we moved the ball out of D50 also.
It gave those players the room to run harder and change the angles more.
Weitering is a good one on one defender, but he is slow and the game is changing, including the need for a more mobile defence that can close down these athletic forwards. Dean and HOF are the way forward, they get to the contest, they tackle hard and they are willing to be less predictable coming out of defence.


I swear Mitch McGovern was playing a KP-wing hybrid marking in both goal squares in the third and fourth quarters. was anybody at the ground? Who was he playing on or what was his pattern of play? Haywood was forced to play extremely high as a HF also. But i think Mitch was starting in the back half at CBs in Q3 & Q4. Dean is improving nicely for a first year kid-KPD, playing way above his years and slowly eliminating the less than excellent acts from his game.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 9:29 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
How un-socialist of you diesel.
Surely they should be offered the same opportunity as the rest of the AFL, even if it is only their first year. :lol:
We've got pokies, if they're smart they'd be setting up NDIS business fronts for some quick easy cash.
Who needs billionaires when you can steal billions from the tax payers.

yeah maybe there's some kind of compensation formula at play for being denied justice for the last 30 years when Port, Giants and Suns were given the green light before Tassie? 3 top ten picks per year, per injustice?

I think it's more that the makey uppy AFL just want instant success, but not too much.
They still have to protect the favourites.

yeah win-win-win-win for the in-crowd is tricky :-)

Mind you lots of commentator say they like it when Carlton is up and about, but not too up and about I suspect. Matthew Lloyd and Barrett spent many weeks ending Voss's coaching career… this week not a single play in the Port Carlton game was worthy of a mention. I guess they're hoping Geelong put us to the sword, and nobody intelligent is not expecting they might after their recent run of games. we have matched up well in the past, but missing three traded talls, tough.

At this point I'm reasonably happy about Haywood and Florent plus picks for Curnow, so long as they maintain the form of last two or three weeks. Haywood has been huge both weeks and Florent was awesome against Doggies and backed it up against Port.

Well we did beat them in the preseason without those talls.
But I think it will be a tough and very different game this time round.
One hopes we win, but as you said it is not likely.
If we didn't screw ourselves in that 3rd quarter with our inaccuracy I'd be a bit more positive.
I think this game is going to go 1 of 2 ways, we either just lose or we get absolutely smashed, 10 goals opening round smashed.

As for Curnow, I'm glad we made the trades to bring in Hayward and Florent, plus picks to acquire Dean and Walker.
We filled some holes and added some A grade talent, we still need more though.
Even though we lost a tall, a conditional one at best, we needed speed more than anything.
Ainsworth was also a great addition to upgrade on Durdin and it showed on the weekend.


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