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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:05 pm 
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Surely we have a spot open now with Carroll injury.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:06 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
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LTI isn't delisting.
But, he may still be delisted.
100% he will be.

But the optics of putting him on the LTI list now is not good.


If the AFL are successful in putting protocols in place to prevent what happened to Elijah happening again to _any_ AFL player (as they seem to think is possible given that they fined CFC) then why is he 100% delisted? But maybe BamBam knows something most of us don't know. Seems to me a set of specific protocols for 'Lij wouldn't be hard for a professional medical team to establish and protect him from a repeat incident, if he actually wants to keep playing at AFL level. Otherwise the AFL measures being considered aren't worth the paper they're written on. Optics wouldn't be good if intention is to delist him. But if not the optics would be ok, assuming he wants to do another preseason and try again. who knows ? (rhetorical question, i dont think anybody here really knows all the details, nor should they share them if they did).
I'm making an assumption that what happened to Lij was self inflicted, which is why I think he'll be delisted.

I hope I'm wrong, because I bloody love him.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:07 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
We have prepared to pay to Draft Walker, with two picks we have banked on him, and possibly a tiny deficit.

From there we do our best to secure the best hand for next year: FA, Trade and a surprise or two from the Sate Leagues. A No 1 Ruck, a KPF, a speedy HB a quality Mid, a new coach and another preseason under the kids' belts.

Getting a player like Riley in next week's MSD is a bonus we can do with, but not the end of the world if we don't. He doesn't fill the need for a bonafide No 1 ruck to win or nullify our biggest weakness imo, the CB. We will know in a few days time.

Walker is ours. He joins Walsh and Smith in the midfield. The future looks bright again.


We killed at CB against Port. even in Q3 and Q4. made a difference to our territory game. If only the inaccuracy missing from Q1 and Q2 didn't bite us on the arse in Q3 and Q4 we could have won by 100 points. Port would have probably dropped their bundle if we'd kicked straight in Q3.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:08 pm 
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TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
LTI isn't delisting.
But, he may still be delisted.
100% he will be.

But the optics of putting him on the LTI list now is not good.


If the AFL are successful in putting protocols in place to prevent what happened to Elijah happening again to _any_ AFL player (as they seem to think is possible given that they fined CFC) then why is he 100% delisted? But maybe BamBam knows something most of us don't know. Seems to me a set of specific protocols for 'Lij wouldn't be hard for a professional medical team to establish and protect him from a repeat incident, if he actually wants to keep playing at AFL level. Otherwise the AFL measures being considered aren't worth the paper they're written on. Optics wouldn't be good if intention is to delist him. But if not the optics would be ok, assuming he wants to do another preseason and try again. who knows ? (rhetorical question, i dont think anybody here really knows all the details, nor should they share them if they did).
I'm making an assumption that what happened to Lij was self inflicted, which is why I think he'll be delisted.

I hope I'm wrong, because I bloody love him.


ok, I'm prepared to think the Collingwood players were talking shit, or Lij was talking shit to them b/c he was in an altered state. but I've heard the same rumours you did I guess.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:09 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
LTI isn't delisting.
But, he may still be delisted.
100% he will be.

But the optics of putting him on the LTI list now is not good.


If the AFL are successful in putting protocols in place to prevent what happened to Elijah happening again to _any_ AFL player (as they seem to think is possible given that they fined CFC) then why is he 100% delisted? But maybe BamBam knows something most of us don't know. Seems to me a set of specific protocols for 'Lij wouldn't be hard for a professional medical team to establish and protect him from a repeat incident, if he actually wants to keep playing at AFL level. Otherwise the AFL measures being considered aren't worth the paper they're written on. Optics wouldn't be good if intention is to delist him. But if not the optics would be ok, assuming he wants to do another preseason and try again. who knows ? (rhetorical question, i dont think anybody here really knows all the details, nor should they share them if they did).


Strong point you make.

We could still put him on the LTI (doesn't look like they will), and give him another chance, like we did this year if the AFL has fixed their mess....and the AFL can return the unjust $75K penalty

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:14 pm 
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Watching Matt Carroll have a good season, Jagga impress last night and provide plenty of excitement for the future, along with the recent improvement of Wilson and Cowan, makes me think Austin did a reasonable job. He was probably treated a bit harshly and made a scapegoat for our poor performances under Voss.

I’m a bit concerned that the position will be rewritten with much of the work turned over to an LLM.

If you give a hammer to an idiot, he’s not a carpenter. He’s a dangerous idiot.

I really doubt an LLM is up to the job this year or next year. If somebody properly trained ML/AI on all kinds of AFL transponder data and it had some core architecture with Energy-Based Models (EBMs) model or whatever is best for team ball sports then possibly. The Noyron TKL-5 was programmed to assist aerospace engineers and for one of its first assignments designed an exceedingly complex rocket engine with an aerospace nozzle and it spat out a very innovative design which a scale model of worked first firing. But there was a head coach or three, it wasn't just an "AI" chatbot. if they really could train something with some physics laws into it and train on a tonne of game stats (and vision?!) could possibly be first assistance coach, but AFL is a pretty conservative place. it would take a Richmond or Essendon* going from 17th to GF in a season to convince the old heads in football land, I think. Or a soccer club or NFL team going stratospheric in a season rallying on training patterns and game day tactics and positional structures pulled from an AI/ML model.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:22 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
Crusader wrote:
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Watching Matt Carroll have a good season, Jagga impress last night and provide plenty of excitement for the future, along with the recent improvement of Wilson and Cowan, makes me think Austin did a reasonable job. He was probably treated a bit harshly and made a scapegoat for our poor performances under Voss.

I’m a bit concerned that the position will be rewritten with much of the work turned over to an LLM.

If you give a hammer to an idiot, he’s not a carpenter. He’s a dangerous idiot.

I really doubt an LLM is up to the job this year or next year. I properly trained ML/AI on all kinds of AFL transponder data and game stats (and vision?!) could possibly be first assistance coach, but AFL is a pretty conservative place and it would take a Richmond or Essendon** going from 17th to GF in a season to convince the old heads in footy land I think.


Elon Musk will be releasing his bots soon, and he says they will replace most humans in the workspace. Does he have a 212cm bot that can jump and hit the ball exactly to the blokes on the floor wearing transponders? Mmmmmmmm

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:25 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
Crusader wrote:
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Watching Matt Carroll have a good season, Jagga impress last night and provide plenty of excitement for the future, along with the recent improvement of Wilson and Cowan, makes me think Austin did a reasonable job. He was probably treated a bit harshly and made a scapegoat for our poor performances under Voss.

I’m a bit concerned that the position will be rewritten with much of the work turned over to an LLM.

If you give a hammer to an idiot, he’s not a carpenter. He’s a dangerous idiot.

I really doubt an LLM is up to the job this year or next year. I properly trained ML/AI on all kinds of AFL transponder data and game stats (and vision?!) could possibly be first assistance coach, but AFL is a pretty conservative place and it would take a Richmond or Essendon*** going from 17th to GF in a season to convince the old heads in footy land I think.


Elon Musk will be releasing his bots soon, and he says they will replace most humans in the workspace. Does he have a 212cm bot that can jump and hit the ball exactly to the blokes on the floor wearing transponders? Mmmmmmmm


Elon Musk is too busy telling all the lies in the world to get his dodgy AF SpaceX IPO into orbit. That thing has crash and burn written all over it, it's already leveraged to hell and back and behind every milestone NASA ever set for SpaceX by many years. Landing on Mars in 2028… oh sure, not even a manless lander on the moon by then using SpaceX technology — i'm sure of it.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:28 pm 
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Agree Blue Vain.

Go in deficit next year. We have two 1st round picks.

Winning culture is what we need.

And trading Weiters. Thats insane. Our only current top line KB. No way. A new coach will sort him out.


Agree. Unless Weiters himself wants out, otherwise, stick your trade/top pick theories were they belong.
It seems we still haven’t learned what success is.
30 years of the same cr@9 and people still don’t understand why I get upset.

Weitering doesn’t hate to lose. He’s got that rusted on selfishness that just gets him through the weeks.

“Why give 100% when 35% will get you paid and laid.”

He’s had one game of proper selfless team defence & he’s gone into a reboot cycle of ‘tightness’ and ‘awareness’.

Port, Scum, Tigers, WEagles, Filth. I think they’re all gettable & we probably won’t climb up the ladder. We might find ourselves having won seven on the bounce, sitting 8-8 going up against the poos & wees. That’s not going to restore the damaged culture.

If they want redemption, it starts at Moorabbin. If the senior group can’t put up a fight there, elevate themselves above this inter-company scratch match intensity that they bring, then all they will have done is cut the legs out from under the future generations.


'Charlie wins memberships and Weiters wins GFs', don't you remember?


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:29 pm 
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Doc you’re the Williamstown guru - what’s your take on Joel Fitzgerald, knocks up getting possessions in the VFL, is he worth a look in MSD or not what we need right now?


He's Willy's Tom Stewart with one exception. Joel is great when he doesn't have responsibility for an opponent. Reads the play extremely well, great overhead, brings others into the play, but at the top level he'd get lost I reckon.



so, an immediate upgrade over anything we have, is what you're saying.

keep bringing the hate Braithy :razz:


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 9:13 pm 
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Carlton have Pick 4

Carroll on LTI.

Obviously Harry O'Farrell will be welcomed back this year. :fight:

I'm guessing he will be back playing in the VFL in July, 11 months after he did his knee on August 3rd at Freo. :cry:

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